Ecological debate on the sustainability of whaling.

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Of course it does, I agree. Public relations and lobying rule the world. But not always in the right direction. (btw, I dont support whale hunting because I dont have evident proof they are sustainable. I'm just philosophing here)

If I can be your guest in Hawaï, I accept with pleasure, I'm tired of freezing here :wink::)
 
I have been inviting everybody...nobody will come. the diving is 200 + viz right this minute.--like gin. If a whale shows up---you are gonna see it!
 
I'm there in May...Big Island, though. Hope the vis is that good! :)

I know the whales will have moved on by then, though. I have to go in whale season sometime.
 
wow! Yea, i want to go to Cuba...

greg, come anytime. Mi casa es su casa!
 
The marine enviorment.


Forest Knolls, California (Feb 15 2006 19:22 EST) This week, the United Nations General Assembly will convene a high level working group to address the biological diversity crisis on the high seas. Despite the General Assembly's November 2005 resolution that calls for conservation measures and closures of fishing in areas where large numbers of critically endangered sea turtles are caught or killed, the regional fisheries management organizations tasked with implementing the UN mandate have failed to take action. At risk is the critically endangered leatherback sea turtle which scientists warn could go extinct in as little as five years unless the threat of longline fishing is controlled. Environmentalists, concerned that fishery organizations will continue to ignore the UN's recommendations, are renewing a call for a moratorium on longlining in the Pacific until protections are put into place.

“Regional fishery management organizations are acting as if the UN does not exist. The UN's legitimate and timely concerns over biological diversity and long term food supply are being ignored so that sushi and shark fin soup can fill the dinner plates of the wealthy,” said Robert Ovetz, Save the Leatherback Campaign Coordinator of the US based Sea Turtle Restoration Project which is leading the advocacy effort by a coalition of international environmental organizations. "It is time for the UN to take more proactive steps by either coming down hard on the regional fisheries management organizations or going over their heads and supporting the longline moratorium in the Pacific."

In November, the UN passed the sustainable fisheries resolution A/RES/60/31 directing all regional fisheries management organizations to urgently implement fishing closures and other measures outlined in recent UN FAO guidelines for reducing interactions with sea turtles.

A recently released draft report by the Secretary General in advance of the review conference on the UN Straddling Fish Stocks Agreement (A/CONF.210/2006/1) documents the lack of progress among the regional fisheries management organizations (RFMOs) in implementing wide ranging precautionary measures required by the agreement. The report states that "RFMOs having competence to manage jurisdiction over fisheries that interact with oceanic sharks and other highly migratory species are aware of the bycatch problem, but it is mostly unregulated."

Last December, a measure proposed by the Forum Fisheries Agency (an organization of Pacific island states) and the United States at the Western and Central Pacific Fisheries Commission (WCPFC) to implement bycatch mitigation measures and
investigate possible time and area closures was attacked by Japan and nearly gutted.
In the end, the resolution only proposed that the issue be discussed at a future scientific committee meeting. The lack of action by the WCPFC is significant because it has authority over the last remaining nesting populations of leatherback sea turtles in the Western Pacific.

According the recent reports in the scientific journal Nature, the 100 million year old leatherback sea turtle is on the brink of extinction. The population of female nesting leatherbacks has declined by about 95% since 1980. The critically endangered Pacific leatherback sea turtle is expected by scientists to go extinct in the next 5-30 years unless immediate measures to eliminate threats posed by industrial longline fishing are taken.

"The fisheries commissions are pushing the UN into a corner, and in the end there will be no choice, except to witness extinctions in the Pacific or implement a moratorium on all longline fishing in the Pacific," Ovetz concluded.
 
catherine96821:
wow! Yea, i want to go to Cuba...

greg, come anytime. Mi casa es su casa!

well... euh... hum... if you talk about the picture and diving close to whales, it was not taken in Cuba but at Les Escoumins, Qc in the St Lawrence estuary. Cant complain about the viz there but I have to warn you that water temp is between 30 and 40 F year round :D Never had the chance to see one underwater though but it's a beautifull place.

People do kayak there and the whales pass underneath them often. You cant pursue whales but it's tolerated to put yourself in their probable path.
 
wardric:
Sometimes, humans introduce foreign species in an environment to control another. and the first become uncontolable so we have to introduce another one. We are really f*@#in& our planet.

signature line...

Don't overlook Galapagos for introduced species...impacts from non-indigenous goats is having a devastating effect on habitat of the giant tortoises. (on a side note, they are a interesting display of evolution as current generations are displaying the ability to drink brackish water and expand their range).

Perhaps we should try and convince the whalers to harvest goats instead.
 
Would whalers who lost their job if whaling was banned be sustainable? I think their government ought to assure them by creating a fund ... we all know at least one country which would contribute to the educate-the-whaler's-to-perform-new-jobs fund. I'd contribute.

Additionally, you could make the selling and consuming of whale based goods an even steeper fine/penalty than whaling itself. A supply and demand formula. Look at the scare associated with direct lawsuits on the downloaders themselves of pirated music ... napster and several other sites directly shared their download volume decline ... it was something outrageously shocking number overnight ... it didn't sustain itself that way but the whole world was put on hold for a good while.

Eliminate the need, provide for those incuring hardship, make every touch-point a steep penalty, now that would put a serious dent in the problem. But EVERY country must buy in.
 
DiverBuoy:
Would whalers who lost their job if whaling was banned be sustainable? I think their government ought to assure them by creating a fund ... we all know at least one country which would contribute to the educate-the-whaler's-to-perform-new-jobs fund. I'd contribute.

Additionally, you could make the selling and consuming of whale based goods an even steeper fine/penalty than whaling itself. A supply and demand formula. Look at the scare associated with direct lawsuits on the downloaders themselves of pirated music ... napster and several other sites directly shared their download volume decline ... it was something outrageously shocking number overnight ... it didn't sustain itself that way but the whole world was put on hold for a good while.

Eliminate the need, provide for those incuring hardship, make every touch-point a steep penalty, now that would put a serious dent in the problem. But EVERY country must buy in.

is not every country would go along with it.
Also why is it WE feel we have to support every self employed person that may lose there business (read fishermen & LDS owners). Thousands of people lose there jobs every day, every time a auto manufacture closes a plant there are thousands out of work.

If you are self employed part of your plan should be preparing for the future, if you don't its your problem not ours.
 

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