JeffG
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Is that the one they called the Fridge?Mr.X:
How major of NDL benefits?
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JeffG:
Tis' the legendary fridge. I saw a WKPP'er pick one up from the ground to load onto a truck. I really thought he would get a hernia, or brain aneurism. :light:
JeffG
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Forklift would be the "Right" choice.Mr.X:
silent running
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Mr.X:A CCR is certainly a terrific nitrox mixing machine. Having a steady PO2 is a real blessing. Not having to dive the Doria with so many stages/bailouts is so welcome...although I do miss the "macho effect" when posing for the cameras!
The Doria can be a tricky madame. Curious...is your instructor taking pluggable gas for his unit? 10 hours is a long stretch of time for a set of 19's. I personally like knowing I have a bare minimum of thirds in the bottles.
Hi Mr. X, my instructor does have a way to plug in any offboard gas needed. I think he was refering to his back gas consumption, not literally jumping in to do a 2.5 hr dive with only 50 bar. He's a stickler for carring BO, so he would always have more gas to plug in if needed.
caveseeker7
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Yes, a manly machine! The little vertical pump injected pure testosterone into the loop.Mr.X:
silent running:
Thanks. I was just wondering. If he is who I think he is...I know that he's a stickler + nice guy. There are/were only so many folks diving the Doria with their Prisms in the early 2000's.
Hey...Caveseeker...that injector...what triggered gas additions? Was it the ratio/ closing of the bellows that hit a mechanical trigger to inject? Needless to say, the minute I saw the monster I said "no way Jose". My CCR at the time was far more efficient & streamlined - however, one had to endure many "yellow box" of death jabs and you're "gonna die" comments at the time.
cameron
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well.... I think there would be more then one person out there who would argue that decompressing on a constant pp02 is not the most efficent; but we all know were to gather that opinion.
I do more recrational diving on the CCR then technical diving and I still think it is worth every penny..... for the multitude of reasons already cited
I do more recrational diving on the CCR then technical diving and I still think it is worth every penny..... for the multitude of reasons already cited
cameron:
The only part I would argue in the OC vs. CCR for NDL / Rec. diving is the aggregate cost involved and the time spent in properly maintaining the unit. I wholeheartedly agree the CCR is the best thing under the sun for exploration-type diving, but the hassle for rec. depths is hardly worth the bother for me. Again, I stress this is for me only.
Taking the darn thing apart, drying heads, replacing sensors, bubble checks, pre-breathes, analyzing gas, lubing orings, pressure checks, taking apart hoses, fixing molex connections and sanitizing the loop is a major pain. Having done this for years I am no longer game when it comes a choice between donning a doubles and simply splashing in. Maybe, I am losing interest in diving?
Anyone want to buy some super nice RB's??? Just kidding?
silent running
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Mr.X:The only part I would argue in the OC vs. CCR for NDL / Rec. diving is the aggregate cost involved and the time spent in properly maintaining the unit. I wholeheartedly agree the CCR is the best thing under the sun for exploration-type diving, but the hassle for rec. depths is hardly worth the bother for me. Again, I stress this is for me only.
Taking the darn thing apart, drying heads, replacing sensors, bubble checks, pre-breathes, analyzing gas, lubing orings, pressure checks, taking apart hoses, fixing molex connections and sanitizing the loop is a major pain. Having done this for years I am no longer game when it comes a choice between donning a doubles and simply splashing in. Maybe, I am losing interest in diving?
Anyone want to buy some super nice RB's??? Just kidding?
Hi X, yes I understand the PITA rec diving factor. But I'm curious to know which unit has been breaking your balls? I do mostly "rec" dives with minimal deco and spend about 45 minutes at the begining of the dive day doing set up if I have to replace the scrubber. If it's a no scrubbber change day, it's more like 15-20. Either way, I get a good 5 hrs dive time out of the set ups. Some units are simpler than others...
silent running:
I think they all break your balls and are twitchy to one degree or another*. More examples: Hammerheads in multiples going out, entire wiring harnesses corroding, troubleshooting time, returning stuff to the factory etc. The actual prep. time for a clean, functioning unit isn't bad at all. And again, there is nothing quite like a CCR for those deep, long, nasty dives or long dive weekends. It's the after dive routine maintenance which bites. Properly disinfecting a loop is particularly toothsome and the Classic Kiss is among the worst of the bunch - IMO. You need hands like ET to remove counterlungs from the CL shroud. As much as I like the simplicity of the CK, its like a Pomeranian wishing it was a Mastiff (Meg, MK, Boris or Cis).
Anyway, I know I should be promoting CCRs as an inst., but as Mr. X (The CCR Grinch) I say OC, with a nitrox mix is as easy as it comes. Again, this comment is directed to folks who are waffling on the OC/CCR fence and never plan to do anything beyond NDL, or 5 ATM.
can't say this about the RB 80 no leccies, but will bust your balls at the bank!
Cheers,
X
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