How to secure a 7 foot hose ?

[Gary D.]

Ok, so I guess the theory of once around the chest, over the shoulder is the best solution !!!

But there are a couple of things that bug me while I read your answers !!!!

- I have my secondary on my chest, just below my chin, on a surgical hose .... I know that an OOA diver will probably go for my reg ... so my secondary is right there for me to grab !!!

- But insn't the main purpose of a 7' hose for OOA assistance in cave or wreck diving, whenever 2 divers cannot go thru a small oppening. One goes on front of the other !!!

I'm not getting a 7' hose to show off my gear and being the better equipped diver on the boat !!!

Don't get me wrong here. I'm not mad or anything but if a diver is in need of assistance, should I be concerned about how I will be having problem rerouting my hose after assisting that particular diver ??

So far I haven't done deep dives with deco stops ... deepest dive was 33 meters ....
Maybe then will I understand what you mean !!!!

I don't want to be a good diver ... I want to be an excellent diver !!!

Hi Shark-Tamer;

You might get better responses if you got on a more suitable thread. You’re in the Public Safety Diver section. I’m sure a few use long hoses but for the majority we don’t. They can cause more problems than they solve in our business. Getting in the proper section may get you much more information.

Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not telling you to go somewhere else because you are welcome here. I’m just saying you can get much more information in another section.

Our long hoses are in the hundreds of feet and not restricted to 7’.

Good luck

Gary D.

 

[Dive-aholic]

Ok, so I guess the theory of once around the chest, over the shoulder is the best solution !!!

But there are a couple of things that bug me while I read your answers !!!!

- I have my secondary on my chest, just below my chin, on a surgical hose .... I know that an OOA diver will probably go for my reg ... so my secondary is right there for me to grab !!!

- But insn't the main purpose of a 7' hose for OOA assistance in cave or wreck diving, whenever 2 divers cannot go thru a small oppening. One goes on front of the other !!!

I'm not getting a 7' hose to show off my gear and being the better equipped diver on the boat !!!

Don't get me wrong here. I'm not mad or anything but if a diver is in need of assistance, should I be concerned about how I will be having problem rerouting my hose after assisting that particular diver ??

So far I haven't done deep dives with deco stops ... deepest dive was 33 meters ....
Maybe then will I understand what you mean !!!!

I don't want to be a good diver ... I want to be an excellent diver !!!

The can light or hose tuck is the best routing. Some people do route the hose in bungies on the tank, but it is a problem when rerouting. At the beginning of all dives, especially penetration dives, you should be doing a bubble check and S-drill. The S-drill consists of donating your reg and pulling the hose free to make sure it can be pulled free. If you route the hose along the tank, then you must waste time rerouting the hose. If you route around your body, it takes less than 2 seconds to do. Also, like Lynne already stated, some issue can be resolved underwater. You will probably continue to exit and end the dive, but if you can do it on your own air, then it's better that way. Since there is a problem, and possibly a valve already shut down, do you want to waste time routing along the tank or just get out? I want to just get out. And I don't want to do it with a bunch of hose flopping around me. Besides, that extra hose along the tank could get caught up on something in a wreck and be difficult to untangle from. If it's wrapped around you, it's easier to troubleshoot.

 

[Luc Dupas]

I simply took a tiewrap to hold the loops together... and a nail in the wall... and my LH is now perfectly secured to the wall in my basement... it sits great over there... :14:

btw... I don't do deep cave dives, nor deep wreck penetrations... just regular dives, simple wreck dives, deco dives (down to -50m and below), etc. etc. etc.

 

[shark_tamer]

Hi Shark-Tamer;

You might get better responses if you got on a more suitable thread. You’re in the Public Safety Diver section. I’m sure a few use long hoses but for the majority we don’t. They can cause more problems than they solve in our business. Getting in the proper section may get you much more information.

Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not telling you to go somewhere else because you are welcome here. I’m just saying you can get much more information in another section.

Our long hoses are in the hundreds of feet and not restricted to 7’.

Good luck

Gary D.

Hi Gary D.

I guess the thread degenerated from my original question !!!!

I wanted to know the best way to secure a 7' hose without it draging ..... and like most of the threads, one thing leads to another and answers are sometimes are not exactly related to the original post !!!

Thanks for your concern .... and to everybody who posted !!! :14:

 

[Gary D.]

Sorry we couldn't help more but if we don't deal with them we can't get you good information. There are some other SB areas where you should get a plethora of information and even some pic's from the guys/gals in the know.

Now if you want some info on bagging bodies and securing them with a 7' line we can help. But I don't think you want that 7 footer wrapped around your body.

Good Luck

Gary D.

 

[tc]

Actually quite a few PSD do use a 7' hose. Most on our team are cave trained and like to use the same rig for both. It also gives you more options when dealing with an out of air diver in an overhead environment like a submerged vehicle.

To answer the question- wrap around low on your right side, traditional way is to tuck it under a light canister on the right side but I don't use one of those so I just leave it loose there. Cross the front of the chest and go over the left shoulder, behind the neck and then loop on right side back to second stage. I don't "attach" anywhere.

This might not work for all but I've used it for many years in PSD and general diving with no problems. Since the wraps are directly against your body there is no entanglement issue.

Tom

 

[WarrenZ]

Down one pant leg works for some people. Just kidding.

You could secure it with small velcro tabs so that is could be jerked loose if needed.

 

[BladesRobinson]

You might get better responses if you got on a more suitable thread. You’re in the Public Safety Diver section. I’m sure a few use long hoses but for the majority we don’t. They can cause more problems than they solve in our business. Getting in the proper section may get you much more information.

Actually quite a few PSD do use a 7' hose. Most on our team are cave trained and like to use the same rig for both. It also gives you more options when dealing with an out of air diver in an overhead environment like a submerged vehicle.

I side with Gary and defend Tom's decision to use a 7' hose...

In my opinion though, the 7' hose is more commonly used in cave diving than in public safety diving. I believe better answers would be obtained from a cave diving forum as opposed to a PSD forum. For PSD teams that perform cave dives as a routine part of their public safety diving service, using the 7' hoses on a regular basis is prudent.

The idea though, that something that works well in one diving speciality (cave diving) will work well in all aspects of public safety diving is potentially dangerous, and encouraging a PSD to enter a submerged vehcile ... YIKES!!! ... Why would a well trained team want to do that???

Public Safety Dive teams that regularly work in confined spaces typically use surface supplied air (the "really LONG hoses" that Gary refers too). Additionally, most PSD teams will search submerged vehicles from the exterior of the vehicle, reaching and probing through openings. Sometimes victims are removed at depth but frequently the vehicle is removed from the water and victims are extricated/removed topside.

None of the recognized PSD Training Agencies (DRI, ERDI, IANTD, LGS or PSDA) sanction or recommend regular use of a 7' hose on a second stage. While a few PSD teams (like Tom's) may have a legitimate need (cave diving), most would not. Additionally, to the best of my knowledge (and I am fairly familiar with most) none of the PSD Training Agencies would recommend that a PSD enter a submerged vehicle when safer alternatives exist.

I hope this explains why Gary has suggested that this question be posted to a more appropriate forum.

Respectfully,

Blades Robinson
Director, Dive Rescue International
Executive Director, International Association of Dive Rescue Specialists