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If you could change one thing about dive training...

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba' started by Esprise Me, May 12, 2021.

  1. Pressurehead

    Pressurehead ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: I'm a Fish!
    Location: Queensland Australia
    How about a provisional certificate for OW until you have X number of dives signed [ stamped ] in a training log , time frame ??
    Just a thought.
    Also the cost of a OW course is way below what it should be, who wants to teach a course for "peanuts", OK, monkeys.
    markmud, wnissen and Esprise Me like this.
  2. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: UK
    DiveMASTERs need to be masters of diving as an entry qualification. They should know more than the bare minimum as is the case now. For a start their core skills should be to GUE Fundies standards. They should also have at least a working knowledge of decompression and extended diving, not least that they don’t show such ignorance when around impressionable students.

    In short, the DiveMaster should be something we all look up to, not the dubious inexperienced low skills many of them have. It’s embarrassing to hear some of the dubious nonsense I’ve heard when they’re showing off to novices.

    Needless to say, DiveMaster should be a pre-requisite to instructor status.

    And no damn zero to hero courses. Diving takes time to perfect. Think of it as an apprenticeship.
    Diverlady13, wnissen, Thate and 2 others like this.
  3. Wookie

    Wookie Curmudgeon Apprentice ScubaBoard Business Sponsor ScubaBoard Supporter

    I was assured today that the PADI Jr Divemaster class is not a professional certification. You read it correctly. PADI Jr. Divemaster. Imagine meeting a 15 year old DM on the boat and having them tell you you’re doing it wrong.
    markmud, wnissen, dhaas and 5 others like this.
  4. Centrals

    Centrals Contributor

    # of Dives:
    Location: Hong Kong
    Different ball game.
    Dive master duty covers more than diving skill that most divers could dream of including GUE Fundies trained divers.
  5. Scuba Client

    Scuba Client Banned

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Australia
    Break out the champagne glasses.
    The answer is physical intelligence.
  6. scubadada

    scubadada Diver Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Philadelphia and Boynton Beach
    Surely, you are kidding. I could not find anything about this. I was on Grand Cayman one year where a parent wanted their young kid to be become a Master Scuba Diver in one visit. The kid revolted and said no way. A good decision. People are strange.
  7. NorCalDM

    NorCalDM Contributor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Vacaville California
    I know "experience" is subjective but number of dives with a minimum number of accumulative hours underwater maybe. Experience could also be judged by verity of diving so boat, shore, cold water, warm water, salt or fresh. I would like a well rounded instructor as most getting certified are going to go on vacation and dive not to the local quarry or beach.
    wnissen and newmanl like this.
  8. RyanT

    RyanT ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Maryland

    I don't have the words.

    To the OP's question, I would say "Time." Make the initial OW training course longer, maybe an intensive 6 week course with LOTS of confined water training, culminating with 10 open water training dives, that include a variety of conditions. For example, you shouldn't be able to do your check out dives in a quarry, never going below 30'.
    newmanl likes this.
  9. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: UK
    The main entry qualification for "Master" Scuba Diver is... a couple of thousand dollars for the courses. And then the avaricious b'stards charge you for the "card"...

    Marketeers are a bunch of mendacious deceitful ... *** the rest of this sentence is deleted as this is a family show***
    Sam Miller III and scubadada like this.
  10. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: UK
    I said core skills of a Fundies diver - buoyancy, trim, finning (look, no hands)
    markmud likes this.

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