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If you could change one thing about dive training...

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba' started by Esprise Me, May 12, 2021.

  1. Bob DBF

    Bob DBF Solo Diver

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: NorCal
    11,215
    17,510
    Having been trained without the use of an SPG, and numerous dives without a j-valve, I probably ran out of air more than most divers here combined, yet here I am. If one is trained well to deal with the casualty, it does not become an emergency, or a possible fatality.

    As I said before, it takes time to make a competent diver. Without taking the time to train a diver to easily deal with an OOA, panic may be their first option. From my experience OOA doesn't kill people, panic does. YMMV.
     
  2. TMHeimer

    TMHeimer Divemaster

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Dartmouth,NS,Canada(Eastern Passage-Atlantic)
    14,946
    4,185
    Nanny state--yes. We seem to agree a lot. As you say, no one posting here wants that. But so far, I don't think anyone here bicycle kicks.....
    We don't need provisional OW certs. or pros needing to take tests to refresh their certs.
    We need divers to use common sense and keep sharp on their own. And not jump into some unknown current (literally or figuratively).
    I would only add those few rescue skills I mentioned to your list.
     
  3. lowwall

    lowwall Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Chicago
    1,921
    2,053
    One rule. I'd have a standardized skills course that every diver would have to make it through to get their OW cert. Start at 15m (50') and go through a course made up of 1.5m (5') diameter hoops including a few elevation changes and turns. While in one early hoop, remove and replace mask. In another, remove primary second stage and replace with backup which will be used for the rest of the course (I expect the octo inflator will suddenly become less popular). Touching the hoops or bottom with any part of the body or gear, including fins, is a failure.

    It would be ideal to include a descent and free ascent with safety stop in this, but probably wouldn't be practical because of the need for continuous instructor monitoring.

    You could use the same course for other rec certs like drysuit and DPV. Also for AOW except a 1.2m (4') hoop. Divemaster and Master Diver would get .9m (3').
     
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  4. Diving Dubai

    Diving Dubai Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Ras Al Khaimah, UAE
    3,820
    4,142
    Make the skills circuit a part of each course, requiring ever increasing levels of mastery to pass as Diver’s progress onto higher cert levels. Some skills would need to be also completed in open water. Buoyancy with a max vertical movement alongside a visual reference at 5m

    Deep cert to be removed and replaced with Tech 40 (Or agency equivalent) which is an entry requirement for DM and Master Diver
     
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  5. happy-diver

    happy-diver Skindiver Just feelin it

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Same ocean as you!
    2,346
    1,564
    If you can strap yourself into all that gear disappear underwater for an hour after jumping off a
    perfectly good boat then at the end of it all surface alive and climb that stinking ladder you are


    a superstar number one diver expert

    Perfectly adequately trained with absolutely no requirement for any changes at all

    Except for the attitudes of Super Scuba Force, those that think change is required



    If someone tells standard divers there is a standard perhaps there would be one





    what the heck is happening with these font things
     
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  6. Centrals

    Centrals Barangay Pasaway

    # of Dives:
    Location: Hong Kong
    10,313
    3,870
    But it is the OOA that caused the panic!
    Prevention is better than cure. Eliminated such a simple mistake does not require big effort.
     
  7. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: UK
    1,027
    769
    No mention of kicking the crap out of the environment. Running down gas reserves. Taking excessive risks. Pulling themselves along. Antagonising the flora and fauna. Kicking up the silt….
     
  8. happy-diver

    happy-diver Skindiver Just feelin it

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Same ocean as you!
    2,346
    1,564
    Contributing nothing more than a small squall
     
  9. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: UK
    1,027
    769
    Not sure that the marketeers pushing expensive AI computers and transmitters really help here. Starting with an SPG means divers have to develop the habit of getting the SPG out and reading it. This action can be seen by all, not looking at the pressure reading on their computer can’t be validated.
     
  10. Rayk

    Rayk Registered

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    Stop those agencies dismantle training programs into small chunks of certification issuance sessions.
     

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