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If you could change one thing about dive training...

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba' started by Esprise Me, May 12, 2021.

  1. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: UK
    1,034
    780
    ?
     
  2. Centrals

    Centrals Barangay Pasaway

    # of Dives:
    Location: Hong Kong
    10,324
    3,872
    Not sure if AI would eliminate the poor gas management issue.
    If the sample number is too small then nothing conclusive could be drawn.
    Spg/AI are usually not mentioned on the news at all.
     
  3. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: UK
    1,034
    780
    The point is that checking an SPG is a clear sign that you're checking your SPG. Looking at the computer means nothing.
     
  4. happy-diver

    happy-diver Skindiver Just feelin it

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Same ocean as you!
    2,350
    1,574
  5. Centrals

    Centrals Barangay Pasaway

    # of Dives:
    Location: Hong Kong
    10,324
    3,872
    I believe the whole idea of AI is for diver to check both important parameters, NDL and tank pressure, with just one look.
    Any exception? No idea.
     
  6. clownfishsydney

    clownfishsydney Contributor

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Sydney Australia
    1,551
    1,038
    Make it so someone cannot be a dive instructor till they have done at least 500 dives!
     
  7. happy-diver

    happy-diver Skindiver Just feelin it

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Same ocean as you!
    2,350
    1,574
    By then they will have acquired a certain type of wisdom precluding them from becoming a diving instructor
     
  8. Miyaru

    Miyaru Tec Instructor ScubaBoard Sponsor

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: below sea level
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    997
    Since Open Water is an ISO certification, all agencies have to meet the same requirements.
    Examination of those requirements at the end of the course could be carried out by an agency independent examiner (e.g. an instructor from another divecenter).

    This idea is a no-go for the quick 3-day-holiday courses, but it could improve dive safety and at the same time this would expose poor instruction.
     
  9. ginti

    ginti DIR Practitioner

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Lyon, France
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    Although there are some benefits to having the quick 3-day-holiday courses, I believe the final certification could be something like "supervised diver".

    I really agree with GUE's approach up to rec2 (please, let's not bring the r3):
    - supervised diver for quick courses (3days)
    - ow diver with emphasis on good buoyancy, trim, safety drills and basic skills (dsmb, compass, etc.), and skipping the first lessons if already supervised certified
    - level 2 with emphasis on rescue, navigation, harsh environmental conditions (such as low visibility)
     
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  10. MrVegas

    MrVegas Contributor

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Ohio
    249
    154
    I thought my classes were fine. As people are fond of saying here, there are no scuba police -- if someone can get air in a tank they can find a way to go diving, card or no card. Scuba classes exist for people who are interested in learning about diving. An average OW class is already a considerable investment of time and money. Legally competent adults often find the people that will give them what they want (or want for their child): a card to show on a trip, or useful knowledge to dive safely. Hopefully, they will get both and have fun doing it.

    Scuba is an economist's dream of the effective self-regulating industry. There are really no "laws" -- the certification process exists, in part, because shops, dive boats, and dive site operators want people they serve to dive safely and, of course, need to make sure their insurance companies will step up to the plate if something goes horribly wrong. The vast majority of people can get an OW card if they want to -- but even an easy OW class does a pretty good job of getting people to self select out if they are not comfortable in the water, have a medical issue, etc.

    I don't think the classes need to change.
     

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