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If you dive alone, you die alone ...

Discussion in 'Solo Divers' started by BCSGratefulDiver, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. sunnyboy

    sunnyboy Instructor, Scuba

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    Just thinking out loud, but wouldn't a valid instructor's cert qualify as a solo cert as well? :-D
     
  2. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    No more than it counts for any other card....
     
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  3. BCSGratefulDiver

    BCSGratefulDiver Mental toss flycoon ScubaBoard Supporter

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    No ... nothing about instructor training qualifies you to plan or execute a solo dive ...

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
  4. Kharon

    Kharon Solo Diver

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    Sorry. Missed the humor. Guess I'm too grumpy these days. Got to stop watching the news.
     
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  5. tilikum

    tilikum Banned

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    Solo diving is an old discussion that is retreaded every so often across the spectrum of internet forums. It's like the mask on forehead discussion. If you let it, the thread could go for hundreds of pages.
     
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  6. sunnyboy

    sunnyboy Instructor, Scuba

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    No, but most training dives are solo dives for the instructor - isn't that the conclusion many have made in other posts and other threads? ;-)
     
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  7. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Hi Sunnyboy,

    I would think that an instructor who is qualified to teach Solo should be able to dive solo by flashing his/her instructor card. I guess the industry thinks differently.

    Also, with all of the training that instructors have, I would think it logical to allow them to make the decision. They know the risks and mitigation factors. Let personal responsibility take over at the level of training.

    My thoughts only, no legal basis for my comments.

    markm
     
  8. sunnyboy

    sunnyboy Instructor, Scuba

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    Geez, nevermind. It was meant as a tongue-in-cheek nod to all the posts in other threads about how you are basically alone when you teach OW. It had NOTHING to do with actual solo certs.
     
  9. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Hi Wookie,

    Here is a quote from the Coast Guard about Kyaa Heller surrendering her master's license to the Coast Guard:

    “There is no excuse for departing a dive site without confirming all passengers are on board and accounted for,” said Lt. Cmdr. Nathan Menefee, senior investigating officer, Sector Los Angeles-Long Beach.

    “Passenger vessel operators must take the role and responsibility of Master seriously, as the safety of their passengers is in their hands. The responsibility of a Master cannot be delegated,” Menefee said.

    How is this case germane to the topic I described above?

    She was not guilty of operating a water taxi service, Kyaa was accused of negligently abandoning a passenger.

    Am I wrong? The only other lawsuits regarding this issue I found (quick search, not exhaustive) created the theory that the dive operator should not interfere with buddy choices.

    Example of water taxi theory (negative example): While on your boat, you assign me a muppet and he hurts me, you are liable for your decision.

    Thoughts?

    I know we are off topic; however, there is a nexus to the evolution of this discussion.

    markm
     
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  10. Midwesterndvr

    Midwesterndvr Nassau Grouper

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    After reading this I don't think I want to have anything to do with dive boat operators. As divers we willingly engage in this activity with its risk factors having someone else (that I'm paying) tell me how to engage in a recreational activity doesn't sound like my idea of a good time.
     

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