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Thanks for the replies to my earlier posts! You guys are so helpful Thanks a ton. Regarding our trip to SE Asia in Feb 2009, we'd like to do either one of Philippines, Indonesia, or Malaysia. The places that we've kinda narrowed it down to in each of these countries are:

1) Philippines: Cebu or Dumaguete (Apo reef), Cabilao Island, Alona beach, Bohol.
2) Indonesia: Siladen (Bunaken, North Sulawesi) or Lombok (gili trewangan?)
3) Malaysia - KK, Sipadan/Kapalai

My main factors in choosing a destination are

1) the weather
2) the type of marine life we'd see (not too keen on macro/ muck-diving, prefer larger marine life - colourful fish, turtles, sharks, rays, coral reefs, etc)
3) the ability to snorkel close to the resort where we stay (i.e., would be nice if the resort has a house reef)
4) and given that I'm a complete novice at scuba diving - we'd like to go some place where currents are not too strong, and the water is warm. My fiance on the other hand has an advanced certification so ideally we'd like to go someplace where theres something challenging for him as well!
5) Nice resorts (but not over the hill on $$!)- as this is going to be our honeymoon!

Please help!!!

Cheers

PS: sorry if you've stumbled upon this post on other forums under Asia - I didn't know which one country to put it under so I had to post it on all three country's forums!
 
Mabul and Sipadan...but the diving isn't "challenging." It is however predictably fantastic.
 
I've been to several of the places you mentioned, so I'll give where I was and my thoughts on each.

Moalboal and Alona Beach, Philippines:

Moalboal is a dirt-track town on Cebu island. A nice place to log cheap dives, but unexceptional in many ways. The diving was quite ho-hum, but they did take good care of me. Not much of a place for a honeymoon though.

Alona Beach: Balicasag was a very nice dive site, with a lot of variety of small stuff and big schools of Jacks that surround you. I think this could have been an excellent dive if not for the poor visibility of last March. Warning though - its quite a fast drift dive. The rest were quite mediocre dives. Food was good though and there are some nice places to stay - worthy of a honeymoon.

Sipadan-Kapalai: Nice place, felt like living in an aquarium, you'll see more big stuff (turtles, bumpheads, napoleon wrasses, big jacks) there, but you will also see a lot of bombed out corals. This is the most expensive of the options you listed, but may be the best diving. You can see my review on another thread in this forum. Easy diving, fun house reefs, good food, but its going to cost you. I'd recommend one of the Mabul resorts over Kapalai personally.

Lombok, Gili Trawangan: We went here a couple years ago, so my info is a bit dated, but we had a very good time. Don't expect nice corals, as they are mostly bombed or bleached, but lots of turtles, GTs, Dogtooth Tunas, etc so your big stuff desire will be satisfied. Some dives can be pretty quick drifts though, so pick your time of day to match the tides. There are some interesting places to stay on the island, and some cool, backpacker-y outdoor restaurants down the strip. Overall the diving is probably not quite as good as the Mabul area, but you'll spend 1/3 as much.

Some other notes:

When I was in the Philippines, most divers I spoke to said Apo Reef was much nicer than local reefs in Moalboal and Alona.

Water in Lombok will likely be the coolest of the areas mentioned. My dive log says 24-25 compared to the 27-28 of other areas, but that might just have been seasonal.

Hope this helps.
 
1) Philippines: Cebu or Dumaguete (Apo reef), Cabilao Island, Alona beach, Bohol.
2) Indonesia: Siladen (Bunaken, North Sulawesi) or Lombok (gili trewangan?)
3) Malaysia - KK, Sipadan/Kapalai

Hmm, think I can help on 2 of those:

Dumaguete - awsome muck diving (not a plus from what you say!). Apo (day trip for me) was good, but I would have had to say far from startling (for me).

Sipadan - Awesome. great for big stuff (turtle city) as noted. But fussy to dive on (there are theoretically a limited number of divers each day) so you should plan well in advance. Think a common story was 2 dives on sipadan, one elsewhere (good muck diving!).
 
I've been to Dumaguete, Moalbol, as well as some other Pinoy dive sites. I'd say if you want the best combination of muck, reef and shoal diving with big stuff, you are better off going for Malapasqua on the other side of Cebu. There are great reef dives off the island in several directions, and there is the beloved thresher shark dives that take place in the morning.

It is hit and miss on the sharks at Monad Shoal, but you can catch black tip reef sharks in the caves on some other dives, which are always amazing above and below the water.

On top of all that, Malapasqua offers more of that far away feel than you get in other Philippines sites in my opinion. Be ready for a three hour bumpy van ride from Cebu plus a 30 minute banka ride to the island.

That said, it is really well worth it! Bring cash! Charging things tends to come with an additional service charge.

Cheers!
 
I took a group of 30 to Siladen Island Resort and Spa and we rank this very high - possibly the best trip we've done in 20 years of dive trips.... The resort is majic. This is the text of an articel I've done for Sportdiving magazine....Have a good look at the website - the video is exactly what you get at Siladen.....a very classy resort. Because I had a group of 30 we got it quite cheaply - we paid about 2-3 star prices for a 4 star (or better..the food is fantastic) resort.
Bunaken Marine Park has long been regarded as an epicentre of biodiversity. It is an exotic dive destination where an unmatched range of equatorial and tropical marine life thrives in the rich currents that wash the coral slopes and walls of the island group. The various options on the mainland at Manado are well known, and Bunaken Island itself holds dive resorts to suit most budgets. But much lesser known is Siladen, a tiny paradise island perched in the marine park, ringed by coral sand beaches, overlooking the impressive 800 metre volcanic cone of Manado Tua.

I was lucky enough to be faced with the task of escorting a group of 31 friends, families, staff and students of The Peninsula School, Mt Eliza, to Siladen Island in July 2008 (it’s tough work, but somebody’s gotta do it!). The venue for our expedition was Siladen Island Resort and Spa, a little slice of heaven on a paradise island. Have you ever been anywhere that entirely lived up to the glossy brochures, the classy website images and the glitz of the promotional DVD? Neither had I, until our arrival at Siladen. This small resort is an absolute gem - pure luxury, but an affordable indulgence. With a staff of 100 for its 45 guests, you can expect to be very spoilt by the shy and gentle Indonesians who quietly oblige every request. Dives are guided at a maximum of 1 guide to 4 guests – this ratio ensuring that each diver has the best possible chance of sighting everything from Ghost Pipefish to the Giant Green Sea Turtles that frequent the reefs around Bunaken.

The dive operation at Bunaken is headed by Jean-Loup Hamacher, fresh out from the Red Sea, with credentials any instructor would envy. The sun rose on Day 1 to a glassy calm sea, conditions we would soon accept as ‘normal’ for the area. As we breakfasted at an extravagant buffet, the dive staff was busily collecting gear from our beachside villas, bagging, tagging and assembling Scuba sets, and organising the boats. Our first dive here was to be none too challenging - a chance to trim buoyancy and get acquainted with the local conditions at Alung Banua, a sheltered site on the southern shores of Bunaken Island.

Like most sites in the park, this dive consists of a steep reef slope, falling into inky depths. Entering the 29°C water, I was glad I opted for the thermo-lycra suit, as neoprene of any kind would clearly be excessive! First impressions were, “Wow…this is different diving…!” Never have we seen such a proliferation of vase, chimney and barrel sponges, and yellow tunicates and red sea whips were everywhere. I had opted for a basic camera rig but soon regretted this decision, as various chromodorid nudibranchs and soft coral crabs dotted the dive site. It was here that the importance of the dive guides was realised – they find stuff one would otherwise blindly swim over. Each dive guide carries a pointer, with which they locate the tiniest of critters and direct the focus of the disbelieving divers around them. More than once I thought… “What the???” only to find yet another specie of totally unfamiliar crab materialise! But to see a Pygmy Sea Horse on my very first North Sulawesi dive is something I will never forget. I have only memories, no images, as the macro lens was safely stored in the camera case some 20 metres above me in the boat! Dammit.

Surface interval saw tanks changed as the boat moved a few hundred metres to Lekuan 1- a site where one can expect to see Turtles...quite a few of them. And in this area they are supersized – massive Green Sea Turtles moved in slow motion as they ascended for a lazy breath before returning to their favourite ledge for a snooze. The reef slope streamed with a shower of Pyramid Butterflyfish while the sunlight on the reef crest above reflected the confetti colours of basslets and damselfish. The range of life here is just amazing – post dive one would rattle off five of six clownfish species; countless butterfly and angelfish…each dive posed as many questions as it gave answers (and after 30 years diving in the tropics I thought I had it covered!). You know you’re somewhere special when each dive demands a frantic delve into whatever books can be found to match names to creatures.

The best snorkelling on the island is found at Siladen House Reef, a pleasant five minute walk away through the nearby fishing village. Here, sun-hardened men patiently wove nets while the kids played soccer in the shade of tall coconut palms. The village has a magnificent beach with a rickety wooden jetty that ends above a pristine hard coral wall. The snorkelling was quite outstanding, with many Lionfish, Spinecheek Anemonefish; Long Toms and Moorish Idols present. I’d always thought the glorious Blue-Girdled Angelfish to be an unusual specimen, but here they are common. And never have we seen so many Flutemouths and Trumpetfish – often they would shadow larger fish, using them as cover while they hunted the coral reef garden. Siladen House Reef was also the venue for a brilliant boat dive. Gorgonians and soft corals thrived in the nutrient rich current as Blue Trevally swept by swiftly, rounding up Fusiliers. Large pelagics are not a major drawcard of the area, but there’s enough of the larger life forms to satisfy even fussy divers – this is certainly not a ‘macro only’ type dive destination – in fact, far from it. You can expect to see the odd White Tip Reef Shark, Blue Spotted and Eagle Rays and we saw schools of Barracuda, Big Eye and Giant Trevally on a few dives. The reef plateau also housed “herds” of grazing giant Bumphead Parrotfish (they remind me of cattle) and majestic Napoleon Wrasse. But you will only see them if you tear your eyes away from the amazing array of life crowding every square metre of these reefs.

Raymond’s Point was one of those confused current dives, where divers found lateral and vertical currents to keep them focussed. I’ve seen Sea Whips and Gorgonian forests before, but this was something quite special – crinoids clung to candy-coloured sponges and fans as we blazed by in the flow. Vermillion Sea whips flailed in the current and an endless procession of Red Tooth Triggerfish disappeared beyond view. Deep in a ledge I spied a mass of white dots that gradually materialised into an amazing double-ended fish – clearly a tropical relative of our local Blue Devilfish (paraplesiops sp.) After a couple of quick exposures, it turned tail and fled into its hole, leaving its long rounded tail sinuously waving in a pretty convincing impression of a Spotted Leopard Moray – quite bizarre! After some searching, it was later identified as a “Comet fish” – very secretive and rarely seen during daylight hours. Even less noticeable was the Leaf Scorpionfish pointed out by Noldy, our trusty guide. This was a magnificent and breathtaking dive.

Ditto for Mike’s Point – found at the north-west corner of Bunaken, this site is named after well-known underwater photographer, Mike Severns. Mike has spent so much time at this excellent wall, the dive guides eventually named it after him. This was where we saw most of the larger pelagics, as well as unusually large schools of Batfish and Sea Bass. Banded Sea Kraits, Moray Eels, Blue Spotted Stingrays and the ubiquitous Green Sea Turtles were but a few highlights of a brilliant and diverse dive. A quintet of Razor fish escorted us back to the ladder swimming with amazing synchronicity.


One typically still evening, we followed Jean-Loup’s recommendation and opted for a night dive before dinner at Tiwoho, over on the mainland. Within minutes we were surrounded by gorgonians streaked with basketstars and crinoids and the flash was running hot. Nudibranchs everywhere, Robust and Ornate Ghost Pipefish; Banded Coral Shrimp, Boxer and Porcelain crabs; and elusive Banded Pipefish all conspired to keep the photographers busy. Scribbled Filefish blundered into anemones while Moorish Idols and Racoon Butterflyfish drifted aimlessly in their drab nocturnal camouflage. Noldy pointed out a weird hairy decorator crab – it looked like it was actually growing its own tailored coat of seaweed – the only thing giving it away was the bright red eye stalks! Tropical night dives can sometimes lack colour, but this was something entirely different!

We also dived over at Manado Tua in the shadow of the 800 metre high volcano – the spectacular scenery alone makes this journey a must. Most dive sites are within 10-15 minutes of the resort and one can complete a double dive and be back for lunch around 12:30 pm. Up to five dives a day are offered and the dive guides never miss a chance to get underwater – night dives, mandarin fish dives and extended day trips to Nain and the Bangka Islands are also available. The only down side to diving here is a sad fact of life in such a densely populated country – rubbish! Manado, a city of half a million people, is only 45 minutes away by boat and after heavy rain, plastic pollution does tend to find its way out across the Sulawesi sea. More than once I thought I had spied a Sea Jelly off in the distance, only to see a drifting plastic bag appear. It does jar the senses a little, but isn’t bad enough to tarnish these superb dives.


THE RESORT:

“Siladen Island Resort and Spa” – doesn’t sound like a full on dive resort does it? But with six dive guides; a top notch instructor; 3 dive boats complete with countless deck hands; a well equipped dive shop; 70 x 12 litre tanks and PADI courses to Divemaster level, this is an extremely comprehensive dive operation. With 40 sites available close by, diving is the central activity of the resort but is well complemented by the Spa operation. Here one can enjoy idyllic aromatherapy massages, lulled by the waters lapping on the beach into a dangerously relaxed state! Or consider the various skin and beauty treatments available. Sipping ginger tea overlooking Manado Tua after a coconut scrub massage, I have never felt more at peace.

Accommodation is superb – featuring huge stylish bungalows that have every possible convenience including four poster king size beds, quiet air conditioning and a cool and trendy private outdoor bathroom. This proved to be a great idea - very practical and spacious. The bungalows are built in the Minahasa-style (local wood construction) and include their own private verandahs with day beds, couches and beach lounges. Each is surrounded by lush tropical gardens and bamboo fences giving privacy and lending a sense of isolation. The large pool with sunken bar is the central hub of the resort and is overlooked by the bar/lounge/library/pool table area and the beautifully appointed restaurant.

Meals are quite simply, superb. The manager, Donald Silverberg is ex-Sheraton and it shows in the lavish and extravagant buffets that offer a variety of western and local options. We were quite concerned that we would gain weight, but the food is so healthy that we survived relatively unscathed. Twice during our stay, the dining room was set up on the beach, and we dined al fresco with a memorable beach barbecue as the sun set over the mirror smooth sea.

I feel very comfortable recommending this resort most highly. It must surely be one of the best options in all of Indonesia and is not nearly as expensive as you might think.

Other activities include dolphin cruises; village visits; volcano treks; white water rafting and various other options available over on the mainland at Manado. A highlight of the area is the Tangkoko Rainforest trek, but this involves a 2 ½ hour bus trip each way – we did another couple of dives instead! Maybe next year…..
 
Thanks for the info on Siladen...thinking of going there in April. My only concern is that we like the local "culture"...seeing villages, etc in addition to the diving. You mentioned the village on the island. Is this a local village or does everyone in the village live off of the dive resorts???
THANKS!
 
I went to both Bunakan and Sipadan last summer. From my experience diving at Sipadan is much, much nicer than diving than Bunakan, we had 120ft vis!! Sipadan is really dreamy, great visibility, sharks, turtles, schooling barracuda, beautiful fish @ 5 meters. Really it is like being in a movie or dream. Personally I was so awed by the scenery, I was not offended by destroyed coral - didn't notice much.

But I liked the atmosphere at Bunakan better. The diving was ok - doesn't compare to sipadan, lots of trash in the water on the front side - turtles were great (more at sipadan) but vis was poor when I was there. (probably much better with greater vis). Sharks and big stuff were on the back side - but so was the risk of unpredictable currents. There was plenty of diversity for easy/more advanced diving. There are one or two local villages on Bunakan. They are tucked away from the resorts, but the locals are very friendly and if you wish there are plenty of opportunities to sample local culture. There is a little backpacker next to Living Color Resort "Lorenzo II" - in the evening often locals come for a jam around the camp fire and it is common to see locals playing guitar in the village;-). But if you don't favor local culture, your resort will insulate you ;-).

There are also two villages on Mabul with friendly locals. The story goes: A wealthy man died and left his land to his children, all but one (a lawyer) sold out to resorts. The lawyer retained his portion of land to allow the semi-nomadic sea gypsies a place to call home ;-).

Have a great honeymoon!
 
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