Non-disclosure of medical condition (diabetes)?

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1. Diving with Diabities was once a no, no but is now done under safety gudelines developed by Divers Alert Network. So there is no reason not to disclose.

2. Lets talk about rights - You do NOT have the RIGHT to NOT DISCLOSE this or any other medical condition may affect diving to both your instructor AND ALL Future Dive BUDDIES (period). Diving involves NOT JUST YOU. It is also about the others involved in diving with you. They are also involved and their lives are being placed at risk too (they would have to do the rescue etc), so they deserve to know before they commit to the dive. Your insturctor and Dive Buddies both have a right to evaluate the risk and decide if they are willing to accept the risk before they commit to dive with you. THIS AFFECTS OTHERS, not just you.

3. They also deserve an opportunity to educate themselves on what they need to know if you should go into shock. How to help, what to give or not give you etc. Not to plan long very strenous dives as that poses a greater risk for diabetics. To carry a tube of Guleclose with them on the dive that can be administered underwater if necessary and other precautions. The instructor will want to know so he can add to his pre-dive and post dive check list to check that you have checked your blood sugar (many forget in the hustle, bustle and excitment of a dive).

4.True that in the event of a tragedy, your failure to disclose maybe a good legal defense, but your heirs attorney would aruge that the instructor should have closely questioned you. You are placing the financial assets of the doctor and the dive instructor at risk if you do not disclose. Also don't forget the mental anguish of a dive instructor having a student die on them.

5. If you failed to disclose your Diabites and your Dive Buddy or Instructor found out, they may have thought it no big deal if told before, but be angry that you were dishonest with them, and then it becomes a big deal. If you hid this from me (lied on the form because not putting it down is a lie) I would be worried about what else your lied about and bounce you from the course on the spot. I have taught several diabetics, and it is no big deal, if I know it before hand.

Divers need to inform their dive buddies and dive instructors or the boats DM of any medical condition that is not apparent that could create a problem while diving so they can be better prepared to assist in the event of an emergency, or decide not to accept the risk.
 
bellicath,

I can only add one thing to what Pasley said above. The fact that you ask the question, that the question came into you mind, should also be your answer.

Years ago, my dive buddy and I watched the December Pacific Ocean waves come on-shore on the Northern Oregon coast for about half an hour. We were trying to determine whether the ocean was "divable" that day. We finally made the decision to dive, with waves coming in at 3-5 feet at Otter Crest. We went through our preparation, and gave our girl friends our dive time line. We then went out through the surf on a rocky coast, and submerged. Almost immediately the waves picked up, and we grabbed the rocks to stay in one place. But it as like hanging onto the rocks in a hurricane. After the third set of waves caused us to alternate handholds is they passed over and washed back, we decided to surface. On the surface we attempted to swim back to shore, only to be rolled by a breaker we later estimated to be between 18 and 20 feet high. It ripped my mask off from under my white-water helmet, and my dive buddy's mask and helmet. But we were together because of a 3 foot buddy line, and a 2 inch parachute webbing belt that binded us together. We assisted each other, and swam back out to sea. A rocky shore exit was now impossible where we had entered. We ended up staying out over 4 hours, and being picked up at dusk by the Coast Guard after our girl friends called them to report us missing. They saw my bright red with white stripped helmet! The Coast Guardsmen were elated to finally pick up two live divers, after not getting anything but bodies for quite a while. And we were delighted to be picked up, as one possible exit point was a small bay just north of the location where we had entered called Whale Cove. At the Coast Guard Station at Depoe Bay, I bent over to put on my clothes, and sea water poured out of my sinuses. That's how close we came to "bagging it" on December 8th, 1974.

Since that dive, if the question comes into my mind about whether I should dive, I act on the question itself. Why was I asking that question? Is it because someplace deep down there is already an answer? The fact that the question is there means that I have a doubt, and I should not dive.

In your case, the fact that the question came to your mind should be your answer.

SeaRat
 
The World Recreational Training Scuba Council (WRSTC :: World Recreational Scuba Training Council), of which PADI, SSI, SDI, IDEA, ACUC and DAN, amongst others, are members, is dedicated to the worldwide safety of the recreational diving public.It encourages members to use a standard medical statement before offering training or diving (http://www.wrstc.com/downloads/RSTCMedStatementGeneric.pdf).

The below is courtesy of the Jan '10 issue of Scuba Diving Magazine, Undercurrent Reviews Dive Resorts, Liveaboards, & Diving Gear. I took this position because it was my assignment, but yet agree it's a topic open to lively debate.

"Lying About Your Health Could Be Lethal -- our medical expert tells you why you shouldn’t fib to dive shops

Last month, we published reader comments about how much, if any, health information you disclose on the dive shop medical questionnaire. A surprising number of you say you keep mum. I saw many of the reasons you gave for why as having merit. DocVikingo, a frequent Undercurrent contributor, is less inclined to accept such untruthfulness. Here’s his opinion:

Scuba diving, perceived by much of the non-diving public as risky if not outright dangerous, has avoided government meddling to an astonishing degree. Regulation by federal, state and local governments has been avoided largely because the dive industry polices itself. This includes common practices like asking divers to complete a medical history questionnaire before training or a taking a dive trip. This self-policing has benefited divers by giving them freedom to dive whenever, however and with whomever they choose. Much of this is obviously due to divers adhering to industry practices. But when it comes to being forthright in completing medical questionnaires, it’s sometimes a different story.

When Undercurrent asked readers about whether they disclose medical conditions to dive operators, a surprising number of you replied that you didn’t, for fear of an operator not permitting you to dive. But I’m with much of the dive industry and medical experts in believing it’s a mistake not to tell the truth about your health. It could cost you your life, and possibly the lives of the buddies and guides you’re diving with.

The risks are real. For example, Divers Alert Network’s annual report on dive-related accidents and deaths routinely indicates that cardiovascular events cause 20 to 30 percent of all fatalities. Moreover, medications like tranquilizers, antidepressants and narcotic pain relievers and certain cardiac and respiratory drugs that cause no problems topside may act differently at depth, and may combine with or increase nitrogen narcosis, resulting in significantly impaired thinking and behavioral control.

“The Diver’s Responsibility, not the Dive Center’s”

Consider this tale sent in by an Undercurrent reader about a Bahamas dive he did last June. One of his fellow divers was a 68-year-old woman who looked physically fit and at least a decade younger. However, during the first dive, one of the divemasters had approached her at 75 feet, motioning for her to ascend a bit but she kept descending. At 100 feet, the divemaster physically tried to force the woman to ascend but was pushed away. He partially inflated the woman’s BCD but she immediately dumped the air through her shoulder valve. Another divemaster then descended to 170 feet and could see the woman’s bubble line starting well below his depth. He used the backup tanks suspended below the boat to decompress from the extreme depth. The woman’s body was never found.

Our reader later learned through a mutual acquaintance that the woman had had a minor stroke the month before that Bahamas dive. “There has been considerable speculation about the cause of her actions and subsequent disappearance,” he wrote us. “While we may never know for certain, the leading theories are that she either got nitrogen narcosis at 70 feet, or suffered a stroke and became confused and disoriented. If she had a transient. ischemic attack, or TIA, (a ‘warning stroke’ or ‘mini-stroke’ that produces stroke-like symptoms but no lasting damage.) the month prior, my medical friends indicate it is dubious she would have received a physician’s clearance to dive. There are generally other underlying medical issues, and a greatly increased risk of suffering another stroke after a ‘minor’ TIA stroke.”

Out of curiosity, our reader e-mailed PADI and asked about its fitness-to-dive policy. The reply: “While dive students are required to complete a medical history questionnaire before participating in any PADI courses, PADI diving facilities are not required to medically screen all of their customers. Divers learn during their training that, after certification, they must always ensure that they are medically fit for diving before doing so. This is the diver’s responsibility rather than the dive center’s.”

Because so many of you readers admit that you are untruthful on the medical release, we wondered if dive medicine experts did the same, just to avoid the hassle of dealing with dive operators who have far less medical knowledge. Ern Campbell, M.D., a.k.a. ScubaDoc, said that even if he had a condition he feared may prevent a dive operation from taking him on board, he still “would disclose the condition to the operator and expect an appropriate explanation of any denial to dive.” Dr. Michael Bennett, president of the South Pacific Underwater Medicine Society, told us: “I believe the medical risks of diving are real and present a threat to my well-being. Therefore, I would not be selfish enough to cheat and put my fellow divers at risk when they might be called upon to save me!”

Drugs Work Differently Underwater

Common reader statements we received included, “I’m capable of monitoring my own medical problems” and “I don’t pose a danger.” In many cases, such assertions are not accurate. For example, common conditions like asthma, diabetes and seizures may appear well-managed but can unexpectedly and rapidly spiral out of control. When they do so underwater, the results can be deadly. The altered environment in diving (e.g., water that’s cooler than body temperature, exertion, increased partial pressures of gases) can precipitate relapses. The fact is the potential effects of such changes upon most medical conditions -- and the drugs used to control them -- are not known with certainty.

Other readers responded along the lines of, “What does the dive op know about the implications of my medical issues for scuba?” The answer is, “Probably very little.” This is why the shop can quite reasonably ask you to report your medical status, and may require a signed clearance to dive from a physician who does understand the implications. Remember, if a dive crew is unaware of your medical disorders, appropriate treatment could be substantially delayed.

In a related vein, some readers believed that a dive operator asking for such personal information was in violation of their right to medical privacy. Actually, it isn’t. The privacy provisions of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) are binding on healthcare insurers, providers and facilities, not dive operators and training agencies. You voluntarily waive your “right” to keep your medical information private when you contract for dive certification or a two-tank dive. It is the operator’s perfect right to ask the diver to be honest regarding medical conditions that could mean additional risks to the business, other customers and the diver himself. There is nothing illegal, unethical or inappropriate about this. From a liability standpoint, dive businesses would be insane not to.

You’re not the Only Diver on the Boat

Perhaps the lamest of the excuses was, “It’s my life and my choice to dive with a disease.” This might be arguable if you are an unemployed solo diver without family or friends. However, if you are diving with a dive operator and other customers, then your fitness to dive most assuredly is of concern to them.

When you are less than honest in revealing your medical status, not only could you as the diver be harmed, but so could your buddy, divemaster or others who risk their lives to save yours. Karl Huggins, program director of the University of Southern California’s Catalina Hyperbaric Chamber, says that if individuals “... knowingly conceal these conditions once they know what the risks are, it’s not just themselves they’re putting at risk but also those who may need to respond to them in an emergency situation.” He goes on to say, “Divers may rationalize that ‘It’s my life and I can assume any risk I want because the damage I do, I do to myself.’ But when they’re paralyzed and can’t do their job or function normally in their work and personal lives, is it just themselves they’re affecting?”

Not to mention that you could cause a dive trip to be aborted for everyone, possibly on an expensive liveaboard in a far-flung location, because the crew needs to rush you to medical care. Under these conditions, liveaboards make no refunds to any divers on the itinerary. If you’re lucky enough not to expire from your previously undisclosed medical condition, you might be thrashed to death by the other passengers.

If and when enough divers lie, incidents will occur and they eventually will catch the government’s eye. When that happens, laws will be passed, like requirements of medical exams before receiving dive training and mandatory completion of a medical history form in Australia, Malta and other locations. A number of preventable diver deaths due to medical reasons have occurred in Australia’s Queensland region over the past several years. Many were the result of divers being untruthful about their medical status and made news headlines. This resulted in the government considering even more rules and tighter enforcement. Do you want some random diver’s failure to disclose medical conditions that led to a dive accident or fatality to lead to tighter restrictions on your own dives?

You participate in recreational scuba on a voluntary basis. No one is forcing you to do it. It’s a recreational pastime, a fun thing to do. If you don’t like being asked to properly and truthfully complete a medical questionnaire, a practice intended to protect customers and the businesses that offer them scuba services, you don’t have to participate. You can find diversions with rules that better suit you and don’t require total disclosure of your medical history. Heaven knows there are dozens of them that don’t put you and others in such a potentially hazardous situation. - - DocVikingo"
 
Lying could be lethal. There may be a risk. It is a risk that the diver should discuss with a doctor and fully understand, including if it is a risk that dive operators need to know about. If it is, then have it documented by the doctor annually.

With most dive operators, if you check the wrong block and do not have a current letter from a doctor, you will not dive.

If you want to dive and don't have a current letter from your doctor, don't check the wrong block.
 
My husband was acting as a DM candidate helping with his first open water class when somebody lied on his medical form. He had high blood pressure and high cholesterol.
While doing the Open Water portion of the class, the student had a cardiac arrest and my husband ended up rescuing him up from 60 feet under at Catalina Dive Park, bringing him to land and performing CPR.
My husband also ended up with a chamber ride as a precaution. The student ended up surviving the incident in good shape, surprisingly, after heart bypass surgery!
As an interesting aside, the instructor was high on marajauna and was too stoned to help with the rescue.
 
My husband was acting as a DM candidate helping with his first open water class when somebody lied on his medical form. He had high blood pressure and high cholesterol.
While doing the Open Water portion of the class, the student had a cardiac arrest and my husband ended up rescuing him up from 60 feet under at Catalina Dive Park, bringing him to land and performing CPR.
My husband also ended up with a chamber ride as a precaution. The student ended up surviving the incident in good shape, surprisingly, after heart bypass surgery!
As an interesting aside, the instructor was high on marajauna and was too stoned to help with the rescue.

At what level does high blood pressure and high cholesterol become a contraindication for diving?
 
My husband was acting as a DM candidate helping with his first open water class when somebody lied on his medical form. He had high blood pressure and high cholesterol.
While doing the Open Water portion of the class, the student had a cardiac arrest and my husband ended up rescuing him up from 60 feet under at Catalina Dive Park, bringing him to land and performing CPR.
My husband also ended up with a chamber ride as a precaution. The student ended up surviving the incident in good shape, surprisingly, after heart bypass surgery!
As an interesting aside, the instructor was high on marajauna and was too stoned to help with the rescue.
What??? If the instructor was "too stoned to help with the resuce" he was also too stoned to be instructing. How was this possible? Was he reported to his instructional agency? He should not be instructing!

SeaRat
John C. Ratliff, CSP, CIH, MSPH
 
Lying could be lethal. There may be a risk. It is a risk that the diver should discuss with a doctor and fully understand, including if it is a risk that dive operators need to know about. If it is, then have it documented by the doctor annually.

With most dive operators, if you check the wrong block and do not have a current letter from a doctor, you will not dive.

If you want to dive and don't have a current letter from your doctor, don't check the wrong block.

What is considered to be a "current" letter? A week old? A month? A year? Or does it depend on the box you checked?
 
What is considered to be a "current" letter? A week old? A month? A year? Or does it depend on the box you checked?
This will vary from individual to individual. I would say a letter not over 6 months old is current, but anything past that no, others may say a month.
 
Hi all. This thread is a little old so likely no one will see this but... I'm really interested in threads like these. Part of the reason people lie on the medical form is that most Health Care Providers know nothing about diving, therefore their default is to say "no" to anyone who wants clearance. Even if they have well controlled chronic illness. The providers are too afraid of being sued. So divers forego clearance and just lie. Would you?
 
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