surlynkid:
i asked to try to delineate which crimes people think are serious enough to not support a convicted criminal. obviously, $150K felony theft is a misdemeanor in many TDS members' eyes. i wanted to know at what point the crime would be significant enough to register merit. i think that is a fair question.
In itself its a fair question, I think we got taken back by the way it was asked. As you state it above, it works...
As mentioned before, we all have some interactions with what many in a purist view would call 'criminally active' companies/individuals. Think of illegal software, MP3 downloads, CD copying, manufacturing of sporting goods from abroad. Heck if you go on vacation and order a cocktail with one of those collorful umbrellas you support keeping small children in cages to glue them together for food.
In the real world there is a lot of crime and we all contribute to this in one way or another. Some we dont know about, some we try to forget, others we accept. It is fine to have values and morals, but then one should also be concise with them and eliminate all interactions with any form of what can be construed as criminal activity. Life would become hard and uncomfortable quickly as we know it.
Bottom line is that both Salvo and Halcyon have strong followers, some based on product quality, some based on morals, some on both and more. Regardless of anything, this sort of publicity is not good for any company. I would not have made a statement like JJ did on the website/internet. While the intent is clear, it shows that there are some management issues, displeasure and insecurity. Better to have left things and not made any comment. Lets be honest, that whole matter was something between Halcyon and Barry Miller. Court case brought, court decided, end of matter. I would also not seek civil action.........makes me come across as vindictive, but thats just me. I would focus on building the brand, the company and streamlining management/processes to prevent things like this happening in the future. Time to grow up as a company and push for the next level of targets.
Barry is in prison paying for what he has done. End of matter too. If I were Salvo, I would also refrain from commenting any further. It is done and the damage is that the owner of the company is now a convited fellon. I would not do anything to emphazise this any further.
As for us outsiders..........products cost money, we all want them, we all work for our money to be able to afford our hobby/sport. Better quality at reasonable prices paired with excellent after sales support always win with the customers............then we tend to forget who is doing what to whom..... it is not done to us, so what do we care?
