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Maybe that is not a fair question as there are too many variables and B is 3 courses, but that is sorta where I am. Of course a strong instructor trumps most of the other considerations.

At this point you should start shopping for instructors and see how you like their answers, pick one for Nitrox, then see if you want to continue with them for your next step. Unless you have a desire to get a MSD from an agency, it makes no difference how many times you switch instructors or agencies.

The specialties you should take are the ones that address your needs as a diver, Wreck and Deep are your desires, find out out if you need buoyancy. See the difference?



Bob
 
I understand. Its easy to make plans, only to realize that your plans were naive. But its also better to have a plan/goal that you work toward than it is to just wing it and hope for the best. I need to find an instructor that I trust, and then move forward from there based on new information and that instructors evaluation of my strengths and weaknesses.

I also understand the point about TDI nitrox being better, as long as the cost isn't exorbitantly more. I think I will start there.
 
With online courses there are no skiping of anything, there is no instructor ignoring things he believe are not needed or not as important regarding theory, write down any extraquestions you have for when you meet him.

There is also no instructor to add information that he believes is needed or more important regarding theory. This will not happen online, and the instructor you see for pool dives may, or may not, look at teaching theory already covered and passed as his focus of attention.

As I have said before, it depends on the instructor; however I have less confidence in anyone involved in the fastest way to an OW card.


Bob
 
Bob, if a instructor is good and will add aditional things that he considere valuable he will tell the student when he get to meet him for the exam review, the online course doesn't entitle you to not meet an instructor, you have to meet the instructor, he is the one that will give you the certification of approval.

The core of the Nitrox course is MOD, NDL, CNS, O2 equipment cleanliness, it is more theory than anything else, if any instructor wants to add something extra it is up to them, what extra they can add, don't know, the TDI course is very complete.

What I see that some instructors do is that they combined with VIP course and Equipment specialist, which is positive, but why they do that, well because they get more money like that, there is not much they make out of the online Nitrox course, except the nitrox tank rental that you will dive after you get your certification.
 
lots of (mis)information and mixed advice.
So my 2 cents as an SDI instructor and tec instructor at a very large 5 Star SDI facility in Stuart, Florida.

1) Advanced Adventure does serve a purpose. I teach it to give a taste of specialties to my student but mainly to smooth out rough edges. I work on buoyancy, SMB technique and other skills as needed while doing deep, navigation, night and whatever else. This class allows students to expand their dive competency. Some may never do specialties....some move on.
2) Nitrox is essential. SDI Nitrox is very complete but, like so many classes, depends on the instructor. My SDI Nitrox class goes over tables, physics and physiology. My TDI Advanced nitrox goes much more deeply :) into those areas. TDI Nitrox and SDI Nitrox are the same class when I teach it. You can have your choice of cards.
3) I expect my students who do specialties to have some competency from and Advanced Adventure / AOW class. A Deep and wreck specialty should not be the first time students deploy a marker from 100'
4) SDI's Advanced Diver Development program is structured the way it is because we make truly advanced divers. When you complete such a program with me others divers will ask you where you learned to dive because you will dive like a jedi-ninja-master.
5) I usually suggest people do Open Water, Nitrox, Advanced Adventure, Rescue and potentially Solo along with specialties that interest them.
 
Thanks very much for the perspective/advice sheeper.

So if I person such as myself approached you for additional training, would you not take them for a directly into a Deep or Wreck or Nav class unless they had Advanced Adventure? Would you want to see them dive in just a standard setting first before deciding?

Second, do you know or can you recommend any SDI shops or instructors on the Florida Panhandle. PM me if that would be more appropriate.

Thanks.
 
Thanks very much for the perspective/advice sheeper.

So if I person such as myself approached you for additional training, would you not take them for a directly into a Deep or Wreck or Nav class unless they had Advanced Adventure? Would you want to see them dive in just a standard setting first before deciding?

Second, do you know or can you recommend any SDI shops or instructors on the Florida Panhandle. PM me if that would be more appropriate.

Thanks.

Well....it depends. It depends on your actual dive experience. I had one guy who was diving for 10 years, military dive experience but never did civilian classes over open water. His military experience and number of dives were more than adequate to go into specialties. He continued on to divemaster and often works as dive boat crew where he lives.

so it depends on what you "bring to the table" so to speak. Divers with less than 100 dives, newer divers, divers who got "bargain" training usually/often have rough edges that need work in an Advanced Adventure class. Specialties focus on much more and more complex dives and may not be the best place to smooth stuff out. Our wreck specialty, for example, goes far beyond the advanced adventure and gets into running guide lines, advanced finning technique, the physics and topology of wrecks, wreck dive planning and logistics to name a few areas.

one last point, as dives get more complex/advanced there is greater risk. Yes, the additional classes cost more money but one's life may well depend on it.

come on down to the treasure coast for a weekend and we'll do your advanced adventure class :nyah:
 
topher10,

The flower gardens depends on the conditions. The diving can be perfectly suitable for a freshly certified OW diver, but conditions can also increase currents to be more suited for an advanced diver. You will need Nitrox to take advantage of all the dives and get maximum bottom time. The dives are in the 60-80 feet range with deeper spots available if you so choose, so deep diver or advanced could be beneficial, but not required. It is self-sufficient diving, so you should be comfortable planning your own dives and navigating back to the mooring line. If you aren't bringing a buddy, be prepared to insta-buddy.

Other than that, the flower gardens has some of the best diving in the US. The Fling is an awesome boat to dive from (if that's the one you're using, I've seen a few smaller operations offer overnight trips).
 
I agree 100% and that is exactly what I did. I did SDI OW, then skipped Advanced Adventure and went straight to taking the full specialty courses for the things I wanted to learn.

The only reason I know of to take SDI Advanced Adventure (or PADI Advanced Open Water) is if you think you need that card in order to get on the dive boats you want to get on. But, even if you think that, I would suggest to check around and re-think that. Unless that's really as far as you care to go in your training anyway. Then, sure, knock out AAD/AOW and be done. Otherwise...

One, I have never been asked for a higher level card than OW, even on boats where they specifically say Advanced is required. And I have made a point a few times of only showing them my OW and Nitrox cards, instead of my higher cards, just to test that. Most places I've been have some questions on the waiver about how many dives you've done or maybe how many in the last 12 months, and when your last dive was. I think if they see that you are not fresh out of OW and have been diving at least once in the last month or two they are pretty unlikely to ask to see an "Advanced" card. But, my experience is not that much. I'm sure there probably are boats that will ask to see some kind of C card for more advanced training!

Two, I think that places that say they require Advanced would generally accept a Deep specialty card in lieu of an Advanced card. It seems to me that they really just want to see that you've had more training than just basic OW and that you have had some kind of training or experience in diving deeper than 60', at least. Regardless, if you knock out 4 specialties, you'll have more than 25 dives and be able get your Advanced Scuba Diver card and then you will be able to satisfy any of those operators.

I think your plan to take Nitrox and Deep first is a good one. By the time you finish, you should have 20+ dives and with those two cards, I would bet you'll be able to get on pretty much any normal recreational charter that you want. But, call ahead and confirm!

I think CaptTightPants is wrong about SDI vs TDI Nitrox. The course curriculum and standards for SDI Nitrox (aka Computer Nitrox) is way less than for TDI Nitrox. But, it is true than any given Nitrox instructor may choose to teach everything that would be in TDI Nitrox in the SDI Nitrox class. But, a lot of that material will not be on the official SDI Nitrox final exam.

I have taken both SDI and TDI Nitrox. My opinion is, if you don't plan to go into Tech diving, then don't bother taking the TDI Nitrox course. It's more money and the extra money will net exactly zero difference in your diving. All it does is give you extra theory and training on doing calculations manually and using tables. Stuff you won't do if you're doing recreational diving with a computer anyway. OTOH, if you think you even might go into Tech diving, then you may as well skip SDI Nitrox and just go ahead and take TDI Nitrox. TDI Nitrox is a prerequisite for Advanced Nitrox, which is combined with Deco Procedures (usually) to form the first real TDI tech course. Assuming you go the TDI route for tech, anyway.

I never took the Night specialty. I went on a couple of night dives with boat charters and the DMs always covered basic light signals, etc.. I've also done plenty of other training dives in the local quarries where the visibility is normally 6' or less. I've never really felt like I would get my money's worth out of a Night diving specialty course.

I also never took underwater navigation. I was a Boy Scout. I've had solid orienteering skills for years. Underwater has its differences but, again, not something I thought I needed to pay somebody to teach me.

After Nitrox and Deep, I would consider these:

Wreck - with a decent instructor, you should learn how to deploy an SMB, how to run a reel to lay a guideline, light signaling, some basic navigation stuff. The Wreck course I took was the most valuable course I have taken, prior to starting tech training.

Search and Recovery - I have not taken this specialty. But, the basics were included in the Rescue class when I took that and I thought it was really good stuff to learn and train on and I may yet go back and take the full specialty just to learn more about it.

Cavern - I have not taken this specialty, either, but it is definitely on my list. This class would be another good dose of training in buoyancy control and trim, finning techniques, running reels, and light signals. Even if you don't progress on to Intro to Cave, you should still learn a lot of really good stuff that will help you no matter what kind of diving you do.

Underwater Photography - I have not taken this, either. And I believe that with anything other than a very good instructor it would be pretty much a waste of time. But, with a really good instructor, if you have any interest in shooting photos or video underwater, this course would be VERY helpful in many ways. You should get a good dose of training on buoyancy control and trim, various finning techniques, and then a whole raft of info on actually taking pictures underwater, that you would otherwise have to learn by spending a lot of time reading books. U/w photography is LIKE surface photography, but it's different enough that being good at one wouldn't carry over a huge amount to the other.

Once you have 4 specialties and enough dives, then you can do your CPROx AED course (I took the DAN DEMP course for this and would recommend it to anyone) and take Rescue Diver to complete your Master Scuba Diver requirements.

As for Solo vs Intro to Tech, all I can say about that is that I just did Solo a couple of months ago, after already being a certified tech diver. I did not learn anything new in that course. And my Solo instructor told me that he does not teach people to dive Solo. For people that come to him for Solo certification, he takes them out and essentially does an assessment (versus teaching a class). He first runs you through the exam from the course book to make sure you have the knowledge. And, of course, he makes sure you have the prerequisite number of dives. At that point, he just goes diving with you and assesses whether you are diving properly to be doing it on your own. His feeling is that if you don't have enough experience to know what you're doing on your own without him teaching it to you, then you're not ready to dive Solo yet.

So, my personal perspective is that I wouldn't take Solo to learn. I would take Intro to Tech. I would take Solo simply to get the Solo card - which is what I did. I already felt comfortable and competent to dive alone. I just wanted the card so I can go to dive parks and dive by myself - generally, so that I can practice skills and drills without having to have a buddy that is just sitting there bored to death. Or so i can go out on a charter boat without having to bring my own buddy and dive without having to be buddied up with a stranger.

Since I listed several courses that I did not take, you may be wondering what I actually did take. I took Computer Nitrox, Advanced Buoyancy Control, Drysuit, Wreck, Deep, and Rescue. Plus tech courses. I thought Advanced Buoyancy Control was a waste of time (though that was certainly in part because I believe the instructor I had for that was complete crap). You'll get the same and more from Wreck and/or Cavern. Drysuit doesn't sound like something that you will need. I took it because I bought a drysuit and I read some things that suggested SOME places won't let you dive dry unless you have a Drysuit Diver C card. I have since decided that I think it's more likely that it's just that nobody will RENT you a drysuit unless you have the C card. It's hard for me to imagine showing up for a dive that I paid for, with my own drysuit, and being told I can't use it because I don't have a drysuit C card. Certainly nobody has ever asked to see my Drysuit card. But, whatever. The class was cheap and only took a day.
@stuartv would you be so kind as to DM me? I wanted to pick your brain on your scuba instruction experience in northern VA (and BAREG), but haven't posted five threads yet.

Thanks,
Ken
 
@stuartv would you be so kind as to DM me? I wanted to pick your brain on your scuba instruction experience in northern VA (and BAREG), but haven't posted five threads yet.

Thanks,
Ken

@stuartv is currently on a dive Trip. It will probably take him a while to get back to you.
 
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