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I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with spearfishing,...

If you attend a Quarterly FWC meeting later this year when it's near your town, you will understand exactly why a large section of the population has a problem with any harvest, water or land.
 
FYI

Divers, Anglers & spin fishermen contest

A little history of the event ........

"A Unique Contest" ~~ Divers , Anglers and Spin fishermen
hold a three way contest ~~

Water World magazine (a Bob Peterson Publication)
(Source of the information)
July -August 1956
Pages 38-39 & 44

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How easy is it for the cook to disarm and gut and clean the lionfish without needing an armored glove?

See COTSBot - Wikipedia for an automatic unmanned device that identifies and lethal-injects crown-of-thorns starfish :: I found recently on the internet that someone was trying to design an automatic unmanned device that similarly identifies and kills lionfish.

See the old long thread To kill or not to kill lionfish in the Caribbean and Florida?
 
If you attend a Quarterly FWC meeting later this year when it's near your town, you will understand exactly why a large section of the population has a problem with any harvest, water or land.

Sorry my friend but I seriously doubt it. I have done every kind of fishing known to man, for pretty much my entire life. I used to catch carp on canned corn in the Huron river and sell them to people on the bank. I have been sponsored by Mercury, Triton, Gambler, Abu Garcia and many many more. I have traveled the country and fished, met with marine biologist's on how to keep bass healthy while in the live well for release.

Spearfishing is not the problem, recreational.

I also am a big believer in following all the rules, I believe in limits and I believe in only shooting what you are going to eat. In fact, I won't freeze fish. The truth is the limits are higher than they need to be.

The FWC honestly doesn't a ton, because they aren't out there. I have never once seen a FWC boat or any of it's claimed marine biologists out in our waters. They rely on us to report whats out there, where we are catching it and how big they are.

In fact one of the biggest problems over here where I am at, are the Goliath Grouper. There are so many it is not even funny. I have dropped down on places no bigger than a 2k square foot house and seen 40 Goliaths on it eating everything. Imagine how much fish 40x 500lb Goliath eat in a day. They have no predators.

Why are there so many? Because in the 70's their population dropped so much because spear fisherman were taking them all. It was the right thing to do at the time, but this is just one example where government really works against us. Some Goliath need to be tagged and harvested immediately, just one Goliath eats more in a week than I have ever speared in my life.

Not to mention how screwed up they got hogfish right now, don't even get me started. I can def agree there needs to be limits, but to say there should be no harvest is ignorant. It throws off the balance.

Right now off Los Angeles there are 2 mile long drift nets catching everything that runs into them, 80% of what they catch is thrown back in the ocean. We waste about 2 billion pounds of dead fish a year. So until you can get that problem fixed, telling me the 50-60 fish I shot all last year are a problem isn't even going to register to me.
 
How easy is it for the cook to disarm and gut and clean the lionfish without needing an armored glove?

See COTSBot - Wikipedia for an automatic unmanned device that identifies and lethal-injects crown-of-thorns starfish :: I found recently on the internet that someone was trying to design an automatic unmanned device that similarly identifies and kills lionfish.

See the old long thread To kill or not to kill lionfish in the Caribbean and Florida?

So a lion fish has toxin at the base of its spine, when it’s pokers are pushed in that toxin is broken out of its encapsulation and it goes through the poker and gets in you. Medical scissors, the ones they use to cut your clothes off, work the best.

Once these are cut off that toxin is released and lionfish are no longer a danger.

So as soon as the lionfish is pulled, you should cut them off right away. And then the cook doesn’t have to worry about it
 
> Medical scissors, the ones they use to cut your clothes off, work the best.
Here in Britain they are called "trauma shears".

> Once these [spines] are cut off that toxin is released and lionfish are no longer a danger.
As the cut-off spines would still have toxin in, I would be tempted to keep a special plastic box to put the cut-off spines in and treat them the same as used hypodermic needles.

https://www.iucn.org/news/mediterra...ings-turkey-and-cyprus-marine-protected-areas I found this image showing which of the spines are venomous, in the species Pterois miles.
 
I don’t know what they are called cause I just use my knife.

But for those that are worried about handling fish, people say they work great.

I save the spines cause my friend makes jewelry out of them.

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Sorry my friend but I seriously doubt it. I have done every kind of fishing known to man, for pretty much my entire life. I used to catch carp on canned corn in the Huron river and sell them to people on the bank. I have been sponsored by Mercury, Triton, Gambler, Abu Garcia and many many more. I have traveled the country and fished, met with marine biologist's on how to keep bass healthy while in the live well for release.

Spearfishing is not the problem, recreational.

I also am a big believer in following all the rules, I believe in limits and I believe in only shooting what you are going to eat. In fact, I won't freeze fish. The truth is the limits are higher than they need to be.

The FWC honestly doesn't know their rear end from a hole in the ground, because they aren't out there. I have never once seen a FWC boat or any of it's claimed marine biologists out in our waters. They rely on us to report whats out there, where we are catching it and how big they are.

In fact one of the biggest problems over here where I am at, are the Goliath Grouper. There are so many it is not even funny. I have dropped down on places no bigger than a 2k square foot house and seen 40 Goliaths on it eating everything. Imagine how much fish 40x 500lb Goliath eat in a day. They have no predators.

Why are there so many? Because in the 70's their population dropped so much because spear fisherman were taking them all. It was the right thing to do at the time, but this is just one example where government really works against us. Some Goliath need to be tagged and harvested immediately, just one Goliath eats more in a week than I have ever speared in my life.

Not to mention how screwed up they got hogfish right now, don't even get me started. I can def agree there needs to be limits, but to say there should be no harvest is ignorant. It throws off the balance.

Right now off Los Angeles there are 2 mile long drift nets catching everything that runs into them, 80% of what they catch is thrown back in the ocean. We waste about 2 billion pounds of dead fish a year. So until you can get that problem fixed, telling me the 50-60 fish I shot all last year are a problem isn't even going to register to me.

There's a few flaws in this post and I think you misunderstood John's comment.

First, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission does not set the TAC (total allowable catch) in Federal waters, which is where just about all of the benthic and pelagic fishing occurs, the National Marine Fisheries Service - Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council and South Atlantic Fishery Management Council manages these waters. The FFWC manages state waters.

How the managers determine the TAC is night and day compared to recreational and commercial fishing. Commercial fishing is highly regulated. Every vessel has GPS tracking, and every pound of fish is reported. Hell, they have to report the exact time their vessel will hit the dock for potential inspection. This data is extremely important because the managers know when, where and how many fish were caught. They can combine this data with scientist who understand the breeding rates of certain species and set the TAC to maintain a sustainable fishery. No more commercial reef permits are being issued and since it's just cheaper to import fish, the TAC for commercial fishing is rarely ever met these days. The commercial guys are not the problem, which leads me to the problem.

Compare this to recreational fishing where absolutely no data is reported, it's just an educated guess for managers and you can bet they are going to error on the side of caution. There are far more recreational fishermen than commercial. Florida's population has exploded and any given day we have thousands of rec. boats fishing our waters.

Recent regs should be supported by anglers. The Hogfish stock in South Florida is not healthy and it certainly didn't help that anglers have learned how to catch them hook and line. Poachers are a serious problem too. I don't disagree with the new regs. In the Gulf, raising the minimum size to 14" makes sense for two reasons. Hogs don't reproduce until about that size and a 12" hog has hardly enough meat to justify harvesting one. Gag grouper regs are pretty spot on. Red grouper needs to be closed in the Gulf and hopefully they will take action on them. Being a rather dumb fish, they have been decimated by Red Tide. The new Cobia regs were requested by recreational anglers and again it makes sense to raise the minimum size limit to breeding size. Amberjacks and American Red Snapper are probably the two species that have excessive regulations. But you still can't find ARS in shallow waters which part of the goal is to get a good breeding distribution in all areas. Goliath groupers mainly eat crustaceans, not fish. And although they are certainly not endangered anymore, I don't see the need for an open season. A tag system or slot would be best. For optics I'd prefer spearing be prohibited gear. It just doesn't look good for our sport. I'll add someone needs to look at the bull shark population in the Gulf. With warmer water, abundant ARS and no one fishing them, there is a big imbalance in the ecosystem.

Back to your question why or who would be against spearfishing. John said go to an FFWC meeting and you'll see why. There are far more ignorant people that show up against fishing than those who support it. The goal of the FFWC is to promote fishing and hunting. Fishing license sales pay for the commission. However, they are a government department that works for the people and so when they hold public meetings and the only people there are those who want to see the end of fishing, you're not going to see improvements in relaxing a resource.

I'll end this post with this... It was not spearfishermen who decimated fish stocks, especially Goliath Grouper, it was when the commercial long lines and trawlers came to town from the Northern Gulf Coast. They came in and cleaned out our stocks until finally we put an end to it. Despite that, today the Florida fishery is quite healthy, but we need to be vigilant against over harvesting and for us rec. guys, we desperately need a reporting system so fishery managers know how many fish are being taken and can set more accurate TACs that maintain a sustainable fishery.
 
Well I agree with most of your post buddy, but not all of it, one of the main problems with the FWC is the fact that they separate federal and state waters. They way they break the regions up is very inefficient. I understand this is not up to them.

But per the Goliath, it was in fact the spear fisherman that decimated the population, as they tend to hang closer to shore and under cover/structure so the trawlers don't pick them up. I wish I could remember where I learned the back story but it has been a while.

And my bad I do totally get it now! He was making fun of the armchair QB's as was I :)

I wasn't really talking to him directly, just ranting about the problem I now realize he pointed out.
 
Well I agree with most of your post buddy, but not all of it, one of the main problems with the FWC is the fact that they separate federal and state waters. They way they break the regions up is very inefficient. I understand this is not up to them.

But per the Goliath, it was in fact the spear fisherman that decimated the population, as they tend to hang closer to shore and under cover/structure so the trawlers don't pick them up. I wish I could remember where I learned the back story but it has been a while.

And my bad I do totally get it now! He was making fun of the armchair QB's as was I :)

I wasn't really talking to him directly, just ranting about the problem I now realize he pointed out.

And thankfully the Modern Fish Act was signed into law Dec. 31st last year. This law should begin the process of developing and funding a recreational fisheries management system similar to the commercial management system.

President Trump Modern Fish Act Sign - BDoutdoors Fishing Reports

President Trump Modern Fish Act Sign - BDoutdoors Fishing Reports
BD Staff
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The recreational fishing and boating community is celebrating the enactment of the Modernizing Recreational Fisheries Management Act of 2018 (Modern Fish Act), which was signed into law by President Trump December 31. The Modern Fish Act finally recognizes in federal law the differences between recreational and commercial fishing and adds more appropriate management tools for policymakers to use in managing federal recreational fisheries.

“Millions of American families take part in saltwater recreational fishing and boating activities and support multi-billion dollar industries that generate hundreds of thousands of jobs in our country,” said Jeff Angers, president of the Center for Sportfishing Policy. “Today, we are thankful for this important milestone for federal fisheries management and marine conservation, and we look forward to continuing to improve public access to our nation’s healthy fisheries.”

The Modern Fish Act, introduced in the U.S. Senate by Senator Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) and U.S. House of Representatives by Congressman Garret Graves (R-La.), enjoyed strong bipartisan support from a long list of cosponsors representing coastal and non-coastal states alike. On December 17, the Senate unanimously passed the Modern Fish Act (S. 1520) followed by overwhelming approval in the House (350-11) on December 19.

“This is historic for the recreational boating and fishing community, capping years of hard work to responsibly modernize recreational saltwater fisheries management,” said Thom Dammrich, president of the National Marine Manufacturers Association. “The Modern Fish Act is a critical first-step solution towards establishing a framework for expanding access to recreational saltwater fishing, while ensuring conservation and sustainability remain top priorities in fisheries management. We thank President Trump and Congress for making the Modern Fish Act the law of the land and look forward to working with them in the coming years to advance policies that protect and promote recreational saltwater fishing.”

“The recreational fishing industry is grateful to see this legislation enacted,” said Glenn Hughes, president of the American Sportfishing Association. “We look forward to continuing to work with Congress, as well as NOAA Fisheries and the regional fishery management councils, to improve the management and conservation of our marine fisheries.”

“The Modern Fish Act signed by the President provides an opportunity for significant, positive change on behalf of millions of recreational anglers who enjoy fishing in federal waters,” said Jeff Crane, president of the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation. “We look forward to working with NOAA Fisheries, the regional fishery management councils and the states to fully implement the provisions of the bill and improve federal fisheries management for America’s saltwater anglers.”

“CCA is proud to be a part of this important coalition, and we are grateful to our champions in Congress who stood by us during the intense, sometimes contentious negotiations on this legislation,” said Patrick Murray, president of Coastal Conservation Association. “There is still work to be done, but this is a valuable first step. We are hopeful this opens the door to an ongoing discussion of tools and processes that can be developed to better manage recreational fisheries in federal waters in all regions of the United States.”

“This bill becoming law is the most significant step forward in federal recreational saltwater fishing management in the forty-plus years of the Magnuson-Stevens Act,” said Whit Fosburgh, president of Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. “Recreational fishermen, conservationists and businesses united around a set of principles and worked together to get this bill passed and we will continue to work together on priorities like forage fish management and improving data collection in the future.”

The recreational fishing and boating community would like to thank the sponsors of the Modern Fish Act, Senator Wicker and Congressman Graves, who led this bipartisan effort in the 115th Congress to improve federal fisheries management for America’s 11 million saltwater anglers. We also appreciate the support of Senators Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), Cory Booker(D-N.J.), and Doug Jones (D-Ala.), and Congressmen Steve Scalise (R-La.), Rob Bishop (R-Utah), Marc Veasey (D-Texas), Rob Wittman (R-Va.), Gene Green (D-Texas), Daniel Webster (R-Fla.), and Austin Scott (R-Ga.).

For details on House and Senate passage of the Modern Fish Act and additional industry perspectives, please visit http://www.sportfishingpolicy.com/media-room/u-s-house-passes-modern-fish-act/.

The Modern Fish Act will provide more stability and better access for anglers by:

  • Providing authority and direction to NOAA Fisheries to apply additional management tools more appropriate for recreational fishing, many of which are successfully implemented by state fisheries agencies (e.g., extraction rates, fishing mortality targets, harvest control rules, or traditional or cultural practices of native communities);
  • Improving recreational harvest data collection by requiring federal managers to explore other data sources that have tremendous potential to improve the accuracy and timeliness of harvest estimates, such as state-driven programs and electronic reporting (e.g., through smartphone apps);
  • Requiring the Comptroller General of the United States to conduct a study on the process of mixed-use fishery allocation review by the South Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico Regional Fishery Management Councils and report findings to Congress within one year of enactment of the Modern Fish Act, and
  • Requiring the National Academies of Sciences to complete a study and provide recommendations within two years of the enactment of the Modern Fish Act on limited access privilege programs (catch shares) including an assessment of the social, economic, and ecological effects of the program, considering each sector of a mixed-use fishery and related businesses, coastal communities, and the environment and an assessment of any impacts to stakeholders in a mixed-use fishery caused by a limited access privilege program. This study excludes the Pacific and North Pacific Regional Fishery Management Councils.
 
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