Uncontrolled ascent!! - Loss of a Weight Insert for Mares Prestige BCD pocket

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Yesterday I did a leisure dive in about seven metres of water, and it was my second dive for the day. All was going to very well as I controlled my breathing and underwater ‘flew’ ascended and descended around largish boulders and coral. Indeed, I was feeling pretty good with myself after finally establishing the right amount of additional weights I need to acquire a balanced buoyancy with my relatively all new Mares 'kit', including the new Mares Prestige BCD.

However, suddenly I found myself helpless in an uncontrolled ascent and before I knew it, I was on the surface looking down with other divers below me - passing by, pretty much oblivious to my rapid ascent predicament, including my buddy mystified by my disappearance. It only took me a few seconds for me to work out what had happened. Clearly the front right-side weight insert ‘bag’ to my ‘inbuilt’ ‘Prestige’ BCD pocket had fallen out, and consequently the loss of weight had send me to the top, cutting my dive short, and then reluctantly having to accept a surface swim in choppy waves. I signal I was safe, and swam a good distance back to the boat.

I don't know specifically about Mares, but weight-pouch loss is a problem for a lot of BC manufacturers.

Given that weight is the only thing you must have, that you can't share with your buddy, and losing a weight pouch on a long, deep dive could kill you, losing a weight pouch is completely unacceptable.

I have no idea what Mares uses to retain their weight pouches, but if it doesn't actually lock in place and require activating a release to ditch the weights, I'd suggest using a weight belt if you have a small waist or weight harness if you're "round in the middle".

The DUI Weight and Trim (link above) requires pulling two handles out almost a foot to release the weights. The chances of an accidental release are on par with meeting Elvis and Bigfoot on a dive.

Terry
 
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Thanks Zak, for a while there I thought the lack of correspondence from some one Mares was due to my questions highlighting something known about the design... Okay, I had proposed to check through all my gear very carefully - yet again and buy and attach some sparegun loops.

However, in addition, I might just go back to my local (Abu Dhabi) Mares dealer and get a second opinion. Many thanks for getting back to me.
 
Hi Scubaseeker,

Sorry for my delayed response, I have been away on some personal issues. The system we use has been on the market for a few years and has proven to be reliable. We are aware of these recent posts regarding pockets come out and I assure you and everyone here that we take this matter very seriously. We are investigating the cause and I have been in contact with I believe all who have had an issue. Rather than make assumptions, we have our engineers looking in to this because not every incident is the same.

Can you please contact me via PM and provide a phone number and e-mail, in you case because your model is a new one i would like to get your BC back to our R&D.

Thanks,

Phil


Hi All,

Yesterday I did a leisure dive in about seven metres of water, and it was my second dive for the day. All was going to very well as I controlled my breathing and underwater ‘flew’ ascended and descended around largish boulders and coral. Indeed, I was feeling pretty good with myself after finally establishing the right amount of additional weights I need to acquire a balanced buoyancy with my relatively all new Mares 'kit', including the new Mares Prestige BCD.

However, suddenly I found myself helpless in an uncontrolled ascent and before I knew it, I was on the surface looking down with other divers below me - passing by, pretty much oblivious to my rapid ascent predicament, including my buddy mystified by my disappearance. It only took me a few seconds for me to work out what had happened. Clearly the front right-side weight insert ‘bag’ to my ‘inbuilt’ ‘Prestige’ BCD pocket had fallen out, and consequently the loss of weight had send me to the top, cutting my dive short, and then reluctantly having to accept a surface swim in choppy waves. I signal I was safe, and swam a good distance back to the boat.

The incident confirmed a concern I’ve had for some time, about lack of reassurance that each weight insert is firmly secured, and I’ve always worried my weight inserts will pop out at some stage, especially on inflating BCD. But fortunately this problem has not occurred. Tell me if I’m wrong but what I don’t like about the design is there seems to be no confirmation sound – a click! - that tells one, that the weight inserts are securely in place, and no need for further adjustments, or concern about losing all?

What worries me about this incident - is not ascending uncontrollably in a mere sevenish metres of water, but in a much deeper dive, i.e. 30ish metres to say a wreck etc. and finding I have no control in my ascent, including by-passing a safety stop. What is worrying In this recent incident is that I’m sure I did not hit anything that made it come out, and the only explanation I can give is that I had 2 x 2kg weights in the insert bag and the external insert bag teeth did not latch correctly, and through gradual body movement, it edged itself out slowly until it finally fell out of the BCD pocket.

The good news was my buddy, who was relatively close by, did find the missing weight insert, and although mystified as to my immediate disappearance, brought it back to the boat shortly afterwards. Also note: He lost one of his Mares weight inserts too, a week previously, but on alighting the boat, and so was very sympathetic to my situation, losing mine.

So what should I do? I’m now considering the following options:

 No longer use the Prestige weight inserts and accept that this might be a design deficiency (a not so happy option given I bought the Mares Prestige for the reason of not playing around with a separate weight belt)
 Use the weight inserts but put into it, not the solid weights, but the soft bags;
 Do what my buddy does, buy an optional spear gun leed attachment and attach to each, so they will not be lost. That seems cumbersome. The other concern here is an emergency ascent scenario, how to quickly drop the weights - probably having to resort to using a knife for each!;:depressed:
 Other suggestion by a Mares specialist on overcoming all.

So my questions are:
 am I, and my buddy, the only ones to lose their Mares weight inserts??
 Is anyone in the Mares company willing to confide in the number of losses by divers and give a perspective on the design?
 Is there a design deficiency here, or is it a case of doing something to adjust - say the teeth that can give the diver reassurance that they are firmly clicked in (fastened in)?
 In case of loss, will Mares give a discount replacement?
 Are they cheap to replace?
 Is my buddy foolish to attach the spear-gun loop rings to each weight inserts, so he can reassure against - avoid losing them??

Lastly, and more importantly, is an uncontrolled descent a serious issue and can I do something to stop this even if the inbuilt Mares Prestige weight inserts fall out? i.e. what is the normal procedure if you lose your weight belt???

At the moment I’m contemplating going back to using a weight belt, at least until someone from Mares can suggest how I can confidently secure the weight inserts, hence using their product is safe, and not have the uncontrolled ascent scenario detailed explained herein above.

Note: Beyond this problem, I am happy customer with Mares products and hope that there is a solution to this problem.:kiss2:
 
I've been using Mares BCDs for a while now, the MRS weight pocket and more recently the MRS plus weight pocket. Both of these mechanisms lock securely IF you ensure you have slid the pouch in correctly! Knowing this, and knowing the potential consequences of it being inserted incorrectly, I ALWAYS double check the pouches are in securely before entering the water. I know that they could still fail despite this, but this extra precaution is to minimise the risk of unwanted ejection of the pocket. I think this is something everyone should do. So far, I've never lost a pocket, and I hope I never will!

Take the time to double check this. I think it's worth it...:coffee:
 
Are these isolated incidents? It makes for scary reading...
 
I've heard many reports of lost integrated weight pockets...and have found at least 5 weight pockets on the seafloor whilst diving.... so I would assume that there is an underlying issue with accidental weight loss from using integrated systems in general.

The securty of weight pockets should be rigorously checked as part of your pre-dive safety check routine.

However, velcro and/or quick release plastic buckle mechanisms are never going to be the most reliable methods for securing blocks of lead.

The answer is to not over-load your weight pockets, distribute some weight onto a belt and/or trim pockets..... or do some research into diving equipment that will not risk you doing a dengerous and uncontrolled buoyant ascent from depth.
 
Phil,

Many thanks. I woud be happy to provide you my BCD, noting that I reside in the United Arab Emirates, in the city of Abu Dhabi. Please can you provide a more specific means of communication so I can provide my details for collecton, noting that the Mares web site appears to have no 'contact us' access.

Note: I had three other incidents over two dives last week, this time got others to help check my inserts before alighting the boat! Good news is all the inserts were retrieved.

Best Regards,

Scubaseeker
 
Phil,

Would I lose my warranty if I used/attached/glued valcro to help secure my weight inserts to my Mares BCD?
 
So would a "click type" integrated pocket PLUS velcro work to ensure that a weight pocket does not fall out?
 
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