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Yes, 1973 seems like a good enough date for the end of the vintage era, give or talk a year or two. Historians will always tell you that there is never a neat dividing line between one period and the next because there is an intervening period of overlap between the two.

As a lifelong vintage snorkeller, I see the changeover from "vintage" to "modern" in terms of basic gear, namely fins, masks and snorkels, rather than scuba-specific equipment. During the vintage era, rubber full-foot fins and rubber-skirted oval masks were the professional and recreational choice of most European divers and snorkellers. Plastic fins were considered to be either "solution without a problem" gimmicks, as in the case of Caravelle fins with their rubber foot pockets and detachable polypropylene blades, or low-end products for people who couldn't afford proper gear. Silicone-skirted masks were the expensive choice of a small minority of divers with allergies, who complained all the time about clear-skirt yellowing, a phenomenon unknown to wearers of "normal" masks. Then the mid-1970s came along and diving equipment manufacturers told us that all-rubber fins were "history" and the future lay in "composite" fins with foot pockets made from something called "thermoplastic elastomer", which unlike natural rubber needed "formers" to stay in shape, while the blades were made from inflexible plastic, which some sports medicine experts at the time warned might damage tendons. I remember seeing pairs of these compiste fins slowly delaminating in the bargain bin of a London dive store. As for masks, suddenly everybody was supposed to go along with paying a lot more for silicone skirts, because that too was the future for everybody, with or without allergies, and no, they weren't interested in solving the yellowing problem of clear masks. During all this technological change, I decided to stay put, considering that all-rubber fins and rubber skirted oval masks didn't stop working just because the diiving equipment industry had decided to go from "natural" to "synthetic". Sales talk about "space-age materials" made no impression and I continue to snorkel to this very day using the same style of fins and masks I began with back in the early 1960s, together with a modern version of a 1950s/1960s drysuit.

Finally, the vintage era of diving and snorkelling isn't a static period without its own developments. The Unisuit, best remembered from the advertisements where it was filled with air, making the diver wearing it look like a "Michelin man", dates from the mid-1960s, when valved drysuits became standard. It looked a harbinger of things to come, overengineered, overfeatured and overpriced. The pioneering decades, the 1940s and 1950s, were probably the golden age of the vintage era, where the focus was on simplicity.
 
This was diving in the Warm Mineral Springs Underwater Archeological Research Project in Florida in 1973, where I participated for most of a summer) and I do not consider this vintage diving:
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John

I agree, you folks were doing real cutting edge stuff for the time and quite a bit later. I can still recall sitting in on a talk “Sonny” Cockrell gave at USF in 1975. He showed that video setup in use in that photo. As I recall, it used a special monochromatic lighting element that could "see" further than the human eye in turbid water. Experts could view what the diver was working with a 100 ft. or more UW and provide input via comlink to the diver. Lots of innovations on that UW dig.

What years did you work in Warm Mineral? We went over on and off from the SE coast to shoot cine and video for Sonny and Larry Murphy with the Division of Archives on clear days from around 1976 to 1981. Incredible dive spot, want to get back to shoot some scooter free diving runs if I can work it out with the owners.
 
Regarding fins, I still kick myself for sticking with rocket and jet fins for so long. They work great for SCUBA diving and people would leave them on the reef for me sparing the need to buy replacements. Still, if I had only gone to long fins 15 years sooner, free diving would have been so much more efficient and easier! Silicon was a boon, otherwise would still have piles of black tar in my gear storage area from decomposed masks and fins.

I have to think true vintage might be an aluminum snorkel, googles and wood shakes tied to the bottom of your feet? When I visit diver museums and see exhibits of stuff I can still recall getting excited over when it was first released, seems strange and for me anyway, not vintage. It really is relative to the individual divers past experience I think. Anyone collect old diving books? How about Guy Gilpatricks "Complete Googler" even gave instructions on how to fabricate early gear. Not sure I would want to use any of it but had to start somewhere back in the day.
 
Regarding fins, I still kick myself for sticking with rocket and jet fins for so long. They work great for SCUBA diving and people would leave them on the reef for me sparing the need to buy replacements. Still, if I had only gone to long fins 15 years sooner, free diving would have been so much more efficient and easier! Silicon was a boon, otherwise would still have piles of black tar in my gear storage area from decomposed masks and fins.

I have to think true vintage might be an aluminum snorkel, googles and wood shakes tied to the bottom of your feet? When I visit diver museums and see exhibits of stuff I can still recall getting excited over when it was first released, seems strange and for me anyway, not vintage. It really is relative to the individual divers past experience I think. Anyone collect old diving books? How about Guy Gilpatricks "Complete Googler" even gave instructions on how to fabricate early gear. Not sure I would want to use any of it but had to start somewhere back in the day.

No, not wood shakes, it would be palm fronds. Palm fronds are much more "true vintage".

Just messing with you.

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Regarding fins, I still kick myself for sticking with rocket and jet fins for so long. They work great for SCUBA diving and people would leave them on the reef for me sparing the need to buy replacements. Still, if I had only gone to long fins 15 years sooner, free diving would have been so much more efficient and easier!

The great thing about vintage diving is that a single item of equipment was expected to serve multiple purposes back then and the diver/snorkeller relied on their own versatility in the way of skills, strength and determination to make every item of equipment do what was expected in many different circumstances. Most fins were therefore sold as "universal", "general-purpose" tools of locomotion. The great Jacques Mayol achieved incredible depths in the early 1970s using standard-bladed fins when freediving. Sadly, breaking records now seems to be all down to specialised equipment such as long-bladed fins reinforced with carbon fibre or whatever.

Silicon was a boon, otherwise would still have piles of black tar in my gear storage area from decomposed masks and fins.

It's a myth that natural rubber invariably breaks down over long periods of time, particularly if it's well cared for. I've an original Skooba Totes drysuit from the late 1950s made from the material and it's perfectly diveable. In any case, it's quite possible nowadays to purchase newly manufactured all-rubber fins and rubber-skirted masks. They work as well in the new millennium as their predecessors did between the 1940s and the 1970s. Cressi has produced its cult rubber-skirted Pinocchio mask
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since the 1950s and it's still in production to this very day, even in the age of the silicone-skirted mask.

I have to think true vintage might be an aluminum snorkel, googles and wood shakes tied to the bottom of your feet? When I visit diver museums and see exhibits of stuff I can still recall getting excited over when it was first released, seems strange and for me anyway, not vintage. It really is relative to the individual divers past experience I think. Anyone collect old diving books? How about Guy Gilpatricks "Complete Googler" even gave instructions on how to fabricate early gear. Not sure I would want to use any of it but had to start somewhere back in the day.

I would say that your suggestion of an aluminium snorkel, goggles and wood shakes represents at best an eclectic and at worst an anachronistic approach to diving equipment choice. Bill Barada invented an all-rubber snorkel in the early 1950s, I would guess that an aluminium snorkel would be more typical of the early 1960s, when I first got one. As for goggles, they probably belong in the "Compleat Goggler" era (I own a copy of Gilpatric's book from the 1950s when it was republished) because the superiority of masks incorporating the nose for equalisation purposes was recognised in the early 1950s. Incidentally, goggles are still perfectly fit for purpose if the snorkeller remains on the surface. As for "wood shakes", perhaps you're thinking about the American John Yettaw, who strapped home-made wooden flippers to his feet in December 2008 and swam uninvited across a lake to the home of Burma's democracy icon, Aung San Suu Kyi, resulting in an extension of her house arrest. Full story here:
Unwanted intruder lands Suu Kyi in jail - Asia, World - The Independent
So I guess home-made "wood shakes" belong in the noughties, thirty years after the end of the vintage era of underwater swimming.

My own choice of vintage diving gear for modern snorkelling, outlined in my earlier message, probably represents what was typical in the late 1950s and early 1960s, when I started snorkelling in my early teens. I don't regularly use original gear from that time as I want it to last. A blue rubber-skirted Typhoon mask my parents bought me for my sixteenth birthday is still in pristine condition four and a half decades later and it fits like a glove. Instead I choose to snorkel with vintage-style fins, masks, snorkels and suits manufactured in modern times as I know where to source such items. They suit perfectly the kind of gentle snorkelling I prefer nowadays. I can get by quite happily without plastic fins and silicone masks.
 
Still remember using the old twin-hose Mistral regulators when I learned diving. Annoying at shallow depths but great on deep dives.
New reg's don't feel all that much better to breathe than my 20 year old Scubapro
My first 1970's smoothskin rubber wetsuit was actually more comfortable than many of the new suits
In some areas progress has not been all that great despite 25 years gone by!
But in other areas...bye-bye vintage!
- I don't want to dropped into a 120 ft quarry again without a BC (as was common in the 70's)
- thank you ...who ever invented the dive computer!
- my Tusa XPert fins are way better than my old jetfins
And no...I don't like weight integrated BC's...I still like a BC+tank combination that I can lift with one arm and be able to take off my tank underwater without shooting off to the surface, when I get entangled in fishing line, because all the buoyancy is in my suit and all the weight is in my BC
And hey...my female dive buddies looked a lot hotter in black rubber wetsuits than they do in fluoro yellow lycra! Bring me back that part of vintage today!
 
Let us not forget that the mistral has the fewest amount of moving parts and the fewest amount of o-rings of any regulator that most of us have ever seen. Cousteau dove it to 300 feet, plenty of other divers dove it super deep as well. I cannot even foresee how one could fail if the levers were set to the correct height unless you managed to rip the inhalation hose or somehow tear the diaphragm while underwater. Even if the spring in the HP seat broke, the device by design would want to stay open, not shut. It is the M7 bayonet of diving: heavy, simple, multi-functional, and reliable.
Cousteau actually used the Mistral down to 365 feet in the Conshelf 3 project, using heliox. :wink: The Mistral has no, repeat NO O-rings which are functional (it has one on the pin, which simply keeps unwanted air from moving up past the pin, but really does not do much; the Healthways Scuba regulators got away without out it altogether), which I guess qualifies as "the fewest amount of o-rings of any regulator that most of us have ever seen."

What a lot of people did not realize, and still do not realize, is that it took single hose regulators years to overcome design deficiencies that kept them from being adopted by the US Navy. What is this design deficiency? The exhaust openings were too small. This caused high work loads for exhalation, which was very important. Drs. J.N. Miller, E.D. Wangensteen, and E.H. Lamphier, in the book Underwater Physiology, Proceedings of the Fourth Symposium on Underwater Physiology (Academic Press, New York and London, 1971) stated in a chapter titled "Ventilatory Limitations on Exertion at Depth":
It seems certain that limitation of expiratory flow is the main reason for the reduction in MVV shown in Fig. 1. The work of breathing is indeed increased at depth. However, expiratory flow becomes effort-independent before an intolerabble effort is required. It is essential at this point to differentiate between the mechanics of the human respiratory system and those of an external breathing apparatus. Airway collapse does not occur without relatively high expiratory flow. The addition of high external resistance in a conventional breathing apparatus may restrict flow so much that effort limitation actually does occur before flow limitations in the airways occurs..."
He went on to explain the mechanics of a new (at that time) low-resistance rebreathing apparatus. The point is that the double hose regulator maintained a lower exhalation resistance than the best single hose regulators of that time (the USD Calypso first and second generations, for instance). This was due to both positioning of the demand valve, and the opening size. It wasn't until the AMF Voit MR-12 that single hose regulators become competitive with the double hose for full-cycle breathing resistance, and in response US Divers Co. came out with the third generation of the Calypso and Conshelf regulators, with their larger exhaust valves.


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Rocket and jet fins came after closed heal Voits, Mares or whatever Jacque Mayol may have been using. Speaking of vintage stuff, we used his concrete line anchor for a record free dive off Ft. Lauderdale in the '60's as an anchor weight for a pressurized 55 gal drum "habitat" when we were kids. Bet it is still offshore too, should try to find it again.

My point is these "newer" fins impeded my development in free diving, at least as far as depth and distance of travel UW. If I went back to closed heal fins, perhaps even duck feet (maybe, more vintage fins) might not have been the case. Was very loyal to the new fins for sometime however and they take some extra exertion to kick reducing dynamic free diving time. Doubt I could make it much past 80 ft. with them on, unlike long fins which can see a diver well below that depth. Have no need to bother with advanced composite blades, Cressi Garas work just fine for me.

Nothing mythological about rubber dive gear turning to tar, at least not in my hot Ft. Lauderdale Beach garage back in the day. Pretty much everything from masks, to snorkels, to regulator exhausts, turned to tar. Of course, they were disused in most cases prior to that time.

As for shakes, I recall an illustration of something Ben Franklin developed in the early 1700's that inspired that comment. Doubt he was the first or the last to try something like that. I stole the idea of an aluminum snorkel from the 70's Hemingway movie, "Islands In The Stream." Really not certain about actual historical use or not. My point, is that to me, not necessarily others, "vintage" suggests something sufficiently removed into the past to where the age or novelty sets it apart from more recent and familiar objects. If I hadn't sold and used lots of this stuff back in the day, I might not feel this way. Have no trouble putting double hose regulators, rhino hyde bottles, converted CO2 bottle diving tanks, integrated snorkel masks or fire extinguisher spearguns in the vintage category as they all predate my experience, mostly. On the other hand, an SMG speargun, even though it came about in the late 1960's, still doesn't strike me as vintage as much as cool perhaps. (Anyone have any extra cartridge sleeves?) Just my view and sense of irony, not an attempt to impose my definition on others in lieu of their own. I really do think it is relative to the individual and what they preceive.

I actually saw a diver do a sled drop recently in the Red Sea with normal swimming googles to 50 m. We were just playing around, not attempting to do anything remotely approaching record depths. He had installed a small mouth equalization tube y'ed into individual tubes feeding each google. Amazingly simplistic and it worked. Not sure I would have the presence of mind to use one properly but it was an intriguing concept.
 
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Rocket and jet fins came after closed heal Voits, Mares or whatever Jacque Mayol may have been using. Speaking of vintage stuff, we used his concrete line anchor for a record free dive off Ft. Lauderdale in the '60's as an anchor weight for a pressurized 55 gal drum "habitat" when we were kids. Bet it is still offshore too, should try to find it again.

My point is these "newer" fins impeded my development in free diving, at least as far as depth and distance of travel UW.

This is predominantly a vintage scuba forum and among experienced scuba divers, for decades, Jet Fins have been the scuba fin of choice, since their inception in 1963. Thus they are authentic vintage. Not really sure what free divers used in the early 60s, Jets are probably not a good free diving fin for all the reasons they are an excellent scuba diving fin.

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Maybe try some UDT Super Duck Feet, those are fun. What type of fin would a vintage free diver find authentic?

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Looks like UDTs to me.

N
 
Still remember using the old twin-hose Mistral regulators when I learned diving. Annoying at shallow depths but great on deep dives.
New reg's don't feel all that much better to breathe than my 20 year old Scubapro
My first 1970's smoothskin rubber wetsuit was actually more comfortable than many of the new suits
In some areas progress has not been all that great despite 25 years gone by!
But in other areas...bye-bye vintage!
- I don't want to dropped into a 120 ft quarry again without a BC (as was common in the 70's)
- thank you ...who ever invented the dive computer!
- my Tusa XPert fins are way better than my old jetfins
And no...I don't like weight integrated BC's...I still like a BC+tank combination that I can lift with one arm and be able to take off my tank underwater without shooting off to the surface, when I get entangled in fishing line, because all the buoyancy is in my suit and all the weight is in my BC
And hey...my female dive buddies looked a lot hotter in black rubber wetsuits than they do in fluoro yellow lycra! Bring me back that part of vintage today!

My Faux Fathom off West Palm this summer. It is a single stage Mistrral block in a new manufacture 50 Fathom case, breaths great at 20 feet or 120 feet:

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Me out of Destin at about 80 feet with the Faux Fathom:

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My friend at about 100 feet with his Faux Fathom in the Bahamas:

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Your Mistral must have needed some tuning, ours work fine deep or shallow. Neither of us need or use a stink'n BC, it is funner without.

My wife shows off the new Faux Fathom:

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