Jarhead
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I appreciate the info.
VIP mandated tank destruction ??
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I appreciate the info.
As UP said, don't write off your LDS, nor trust the hydro shop outright, do your homework on both.
The bigger the hydro facility, the more likely they are to know what they're doing. If the hydro shop does the bulk welding cylinders for O2 and inert gasses, they should know how to do a + rating because almost all of those cylinders are + rated.
Roak
Ps. Yes, your steels can be + rated for their entire lifetime (which, if carerfully cared for, will exceed yours) as long as they pass the additional calculations required for the + rating.
On the risk of getting mod'ed for diverging this thread....
How to you do your homework on LDSs and hydro shops? What are the right questions to ask and paperwork to obtain?
How to you do your homework on LDSs and hydro shops? What are the right questions to ask and paperwork to obtain?
Nicht..nada ..zip...I absolutely did NOT sign any waiver...as a certified pack rat (and week-end farmer) there's all kind's of things you can do with a steel '72' .. which is exactly what I told Mr. Copeland....obviously to no avail...I currently have the 'bottle' at a welding supply store for a 3rd vip (opinion) but the owner there said he IS willing to document his assesment for me...I was told the hydro facility does a visual before hdro too and enters their findings and hydro data in a log..true?????....
On a quick separate note ..KUDOs to the web site.. been out of blowin bubbles for a while ..love the comradery
again thanks to all
william
On a quick separate note ..KUDOs to the web site.. been out of blowin bubbles for a while ..love the comradery
again thanks to all
william
Moderators: Can this be moved to the VIP mandated tank destruction note to keep things from becoming fragmented?
William:
Get something in writing, INLCUDING the name of the actual inspector, the person who inspected the cylinder.
THEN AFTER YOU HAVE A NAME ask for the PSI inspector number of that person. This order is important, since if employee A is a PSI inspector but employee B inspected your cylinder, you dont want to show your hand and have them write down that employee A inspected your cylinder, since we already know theyre jerks.
Now go to the hydro shop and get the report on your cylinder. Typically theres nothing written up on the inspection, just the result of the hydro, but if it made it to hydro it was inspected and passed; this is DOT protocol for a hydro station. Also get a copy of the hydro stations DOT permit (or whatever its called) that makes them legal to do hydro tests.
Heres the best position for you: IF a PSI inspector thats current did NOT inspect your cylinder at the LDS, it should be open and shut. You have a certified inspector at the hydro shop that said the cylinder was good (show the judge the DOT permit). You have an uncertified, untrained or not current dive shop monkey who has destroyed your property (challenge the LDS to show a PSI certificate for the person who inspected the cylinder). Small claims court should make quick work of this yahoo if thats the case.
If you do get a PSI inspector number from them send mail to PSI and make sure its valid and that theyre current. If theyre not, see above. If they are, now you get on shaky ground. If you didnt get an inspection report until you asked for one, they didnt follow the PSI 18 step inspection protocol, step 18 which reads, word for word:
Return cylinder to owner with a list of tips for cylinder care and storage (see back of evaluation form). Return all parts replaced for the owners inspection. PROVIDE OWNER WITH A COPY OF THE WRITTEN REPORT, I.E. P.S.I. EVALUATION FORM. [emphasis mine]
If they skipped this part of the PSI inspection protocol, what other parts did they skip? But as I said youre on shaky ground if youre up against a current PSI inspector. Anyone else have ideas?
Roak
PSI: http://www.psicylinders.com/
William:
Get something in writing, INLCUDING the name of the actual inspector, the person who inspected the cylinder.
THEN AFTER YOU HAVE A NAME ask for the PSI inspector number of that person. This order is important, since if employee A is a PSI inspector but employee B inspected your cylinder, you dont want to show your hand and have them write down that employee A inspected your cylinder, since we already know theyre jerks.
Now go to the hydro shop and get the report on your cylinder. Typically theres nothing written up on the inspection, just the result of the hydro, but if it made it to hydro it was inspected and passed; this is DOT protocol for a hydro station. Also get a copy of the hydro stations DOT permit (or whatever its called) that makes them legal to do hydro tests.
Heres the best position for you: IF a PSI inspector thats current did NOT inspect your cylinder at the LDS, it should be open and shut. You have a certified inspector at the hydro shop that said the cylinder was good (show the judge the DOT permit). You have an uncertified, untrained or not current dive shop monkey who has destroyed your property (challenge the LDS to show a PSI certificate for the person who inspected the cylinder). Small claims court should make quick work of this yahoo if thats the case.
If you do get a PSI inspector number from them send mail to PSI and make sure its valid and that theyre current. If theyre not, see above. If they are, now you get on shaky ground. If you didnt get an inspection report until you asked for one, they didnt follow the PSI 18 step inspection protocol, step 18 which reads, word for word:
Return cylinder to owner with a list of tips for cylinder care and storage (see back of evaluation form). Return all parts replaced for the owners inspection. PROVIDE OWNER WITH A COPY OF THE WRITTEN REPORT, I.E. P.S.I. EVALUATION FORM. [emphasis mine]
If they skipped this part of the PSI inspection protocol, what other parts did they skip? But as I said youre on shaky ground if youre up against a current PSI inspector. Anyone else have ideas?
Roak
PSI: http://www.psicylinders.com/
Spectre
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Yep... was already in the process of merging when I read down to see what the other note was. Thanks for the heads up, it helps if the first moderator to come by hadn't been following the other thread
drizzt117
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I might be mistaken, but isn't the PSI status of the inspector irrelevant. Regardless of whether or not the inspector of your tank was PSI certified, the fact is the owner of the shop destroyed your tank w/o permission. You did not sign a waiver allowing this to be done, and did not say they could do it.
If the person was PSI certified, then again they broke their own rules when destroying your tank. If your tank passed hydro, then there is no grounds for destroying your tank. Rip this guy apart.
Thomas
If the person was PSI certified, then again they broke their own rules when destroying your tank. If your tank passed hydro, then there is no grounds for destroying your tank. Rip this guy apart.
Thomas
Master Chief
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Hi
The dive shop owner was wrong to destroy your tank. I'm a hydrostat technician and what should of happend was the dive shop owner should of explained the situation to you showing you the falts he detected in or on the cylinder and made suggestions to you and applied no visual sticker. The tank is first stamped befor a hydro test is performed, if that tank does not pass the hydro test the stamp markings are stamped out and the tank noted as failed. A scuba tank can pass a hydro test but fail the visual inspection. The visual inspection is more important than the hydro, as its at that point were fatique, cracks, bedding and holes are detected which can casue explosions any time befor the next visual or hydro test is performed. New laws are being drawn up regarding visual inspections and dive shop personel. If the tank was faulty why not let it be and concider it a good thing.
Master Chief
The dive shop owner was wrong to destroy your tank. I'm a hydrostat technician and what should of happend was the dive shop owner should of explained the situation to you showing you the falts he detected in or on the cylinder and made suggestions to you and applied no visual sticker. The tank is first stamped befor a hydro test is performed, if that tank does not pass the hydro test the stamp markings are stamped out and the tank noted as failed. A scuba tank can pass a hydro test but fail the visual inspection. The visual inspection is more important than the hydro, as its at that point were fatique, cracks, bedding and holes are detected which can casue explosions any time befor the next visual or hydro test is performed. New laws are being drawn up regarding visual inspections and dive shop personel. If the tank was faulty why not let it be and concider it a good thing.
Master Chief
Master Chief
"If the tank was faulty why not let it be and concider it a good thing."
That quite a large if. Most dive shop "inspectors" are clearly not qualified. If my tank fails a visual inspection and can't be fixed with cleaning, I'll take it out of service in a heart beat. I do not want some unqualified tank monkey taking a chisel to my threads. I no longer take my tanks to dive shops for visuals, the last time I did so cured me of that forever.
"If the tank was faulty why not let it be and concider it a good thing."
That quite a large if. Most dive shop "inspectors" are clearly not qualified. If my tank fails a visual inspection and can't be fixed with cleaning, I'll take it out of service in a heart beat. I do not want some unqualified tank monkey taking a chisel to my threads. I no longer take my tanks to dive shops for visuals, the last time I did so cured me of that forever.
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Any of the alternatives suitable for a recreational diver? It's always good to understand the options.
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