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MaxBottomtime

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Long-delayed Long Point project begins in RPV
Work crews prepare the former Marineland site for the construction of resort overlooking the ocean in Rancho Palos Verdes.
By Nick Green
Daily Breeze

A work crew that has been demolishing an old gas station at the entrance of the defunct Marineland theme park in the last few weeks is the first step toward construction of the $300 million Long Point resort.

"The launch of Long Point is major," said Rancho Palos Verdes Mayor Larry Clark. "I'm pleased we're moving toward concrete evidence that the project is real."



It's certainly been a long time coming.

The city first approved a 400-room hotel on the 102-acre property that sits on coastal bluffs overlooking the ocean in 1990, three years after Marineland closed.

But those original plans were scrapped after the landowner filed for bankruptcy.

York Long Point Associates purchased the property for $28 million in 1995 and spent seven years getting city approval for the project.

Late last year the investment group quietly sold the property for an undisclosed sum to Lowe Enterprises, the Brentwood-based company whose Destination Development subsidiary will build the resort.

The move enabled Destination to secure two construction loans worth $225 million, documents show.

Long Point will include 550 hotel rooms, bungalows and casitas, 32 privately owned villas, a conference center, health spa, driving range and clubhouse.

When complete in 2007, the resort is expected to provide up to 700 full-time jobs and $5 million in annual municipal revenues.

"We've invested a substantial amount of our sales price in the project," said Jim York, while declining to name the amount the investment group that he heads received. "I think it's a good investment and I'm also planning to buy one of the condos when they go on the market."

Sales should begin in the next few months.

Project Director Keith Lamparter, who has 15 years experience building large resorts, said construction trailers should move onto the property in March. A sales and marketing trailer that will eventually have a mock-up of a typical hotel room will be installed in late May to early June.

"We'd like to be grading late this summer and then start real construction by the end of the year," Lamparter said.

The schedule is tentative though.

The city and state all have to approve various permits along the way. One of the project's biggest challenges is the strict level of regulatory oversight in California, Lamparter said.

As if to confirm that, work was halted on the gas station demolition when city officials discovered Destination had not secured the right paperwork to permit the removal of potentially contaminated soil caused by the gas station's old underground tanks. Work is expected to resume within two weeks.

Moreover, filming for two sequels to the movie "Pirates of the Caribbean," which was also shot at Long Point, is supposed to occur before the end of May.

However, safety concerns related to the impending demolition prompted city officials to deny the film company the necessary permits. An appeal is expected.

Given those sorts of delays to two relatively minor projects, Lamparter is reluctant to provide a hard and fast timetable for the complex construction. Those projects pale in comparison to ripping up the massive parking lots in an ecologically sensitive coastal area. That is expected to occur in phases.

"We really don't want to go out there and tear up 102 acres and have the sand and dust blowing," he said.

Lamparter also has to figure out the logistics of busing as many as 500 construction workers to the site.

"You only get to do this one time," he said of the construction. "We want to do it right."
 
That would really, really suck. California is a huge proponent of coastal access, I wonder if there is any way we could force them to keep access open. It would be worth a shot.

Anyone know how we would go about something like this? maybe glacd.org would be a good place to start....

max, thanks for finding the article
 
scottfiji:
That would really, really suck. California is a huge proponent of coastal access, I wonder if there is any way we could force them to keep access open. It would be worth a shot.

Anyone know how we would go about something like this? maybe glacd.org would be a good place to start....

max, thanks for finding the article
There was a twenty year moritorium on building along the Rancho Palos Verdes coastline that expired a few years ago. After Marineland was sold and ownership changed hands a few times the city council and State Lands Commission came up with one delay after another about building on the proposed site. It looks as if all good things must end.
I began diving there shortly after it closed in 1987. For a couple of years it was a secret spot. I was able to dive there for several weekends in a row and a few weekday afternoons as well without ever seeing another diver. I put a hose on the spigot just beyond the chain that remained there for more than five years. The secret got out, in no small way thanks to a cover story in a 1990 California Diving News. For the next few months there were so many divers ignoring the signs prohibiting driving down to the cove that the security company finally put up a fence and locked gate. There was also plenty of vandalism to the old buildings and tower. Someone stole the copper wiring from the tower and because the red light at the top could no longer function, the tower was removed. Fortunately, the last few years have enjoyed mostly divers and fishermen who love the site and have gone there without trashing the place. It has been one of my favorite dive sites in SoCal and I will definately miss it if public access is taken from us.
 
When the city approved the resort development in 2002, California Diving News said, "Of key interest to divers is the promised public access to the shoreline which includes 50 free parking spaces located adjacent to a gently sloping paved path to the water’s edge."

They've been really good about maintaining access while putting up sets for various movie shoots etc. Obviously construction will mean things will be torn up for a while, but is there any sense that access will change?
 
Two Points.
1. Costal access is well established at this location and I strongly suspect an easment is established. The costal commission is very intrested in maintining costal access. Example is Montage Resort (Treasure Island) Laguna Beach. We had no access there before due to the private trailor park. Now we have a 34 car parking garage, showers and bathrooms. Yes, we have to walk a bit on a paved path, but we still have access, even more than we had before.
2. The secuity guards at the site claim that Trump purchased this site and closed escrow in the first week of January. They also say there contract has been terminated.

I should also point out that as of Sunday Feb 6, 2005, there was still access to SCUBA dive there.

Channel 58 at 9:00 pm Feb 7, 2005 has a show about the costal commission and public access as I write this.

http://www.kqed.org/w/coastalclash/home.html
 
MaxBottomtime:
The latest update to the EIR has public access, but as Mervin, er Melville, ahem...Melvin said it may be a long time before it is open.

http://www.palosverdes.com/rpv/planning/final_draft_addendum/final_draft_addendum.pdf

I briefly read the EIR, it seems like it includes enough of public access. Yeah, I guess it be closed down for a while.

In my opinion, Marineland is all-around the best site for diving in Southern California. I would be willing to put some time in to make sure it stays closed as little time as possible.

btw, Max, I found your pet Lingcod at Marineland the other day, at around 55ft depth, he swam away from me 3 times before finally letting me come face-to-face with him for a minute.
 
Brief scan of the plan calls for 100 public coastal access parking spaces in addition to those for the hotel. Ok so far. Also calls for trails and stairs to the water.
 
I also believe that we should attempt to continue to dive the site during the construction period to maintain our "rights" and access. Old war story, US had three highways into Berlin Germany through East Germany (Berlin being 110 miles East of the East/West German boarder). On day the US found all but one road closed to them. The Soviets claiming we had "abandoned the roads" because we had not used them in the previous 24 hours. Result, a duty driver was detailed to drive the road between Berlin Germany and Helmsteadt West Germany every day on the one remaining road. I had the privilege of commanding the US Army Duty Train for 9 months in the early 1980's. Even on days we knew the train tracks were closed due to the rails being out, the duty train still attempted the journey and when we came to the obstruction we demanded passage, or at the least for the Soviets to get busses and bus us around the obstruction.

So, let us not "abandon" our public access by not diving there, or at least attempting it.
 
My understanding is that the Coastal Commission would have to ensure access to the coast... it belongs to all of us in the state.

Dr. Bill
 
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