Would you stay away from a dive shop that had an accident?

[formernuke]

Really? You consider Commercial air travel high risk?


In that case, you must consider commercial air travel even higher risk. (the inherent risk is higher, but the mitigation is also much higher)


Like we do with commercial air travel. But most people don't label it high risk because of the mitigation making it safe.

Exactly on all points.

We take high risk activities and manage the risk to do them safely.

The higher the risk the more mitigation is needed. But the activity itself is still high risk.

 

[formernuke]

You dive a rebreather don’t you? In my book, that’s high risk and on the edge no matter how well you manage it.

I do and I mitigate the f out of it because it is high risk.

 

[berndo]

Just wondering why nearly every thread you participate in turns contentious with personal insults.....

Who have I insulted?

 

[formernuke]

No one, in fact there have been no personal insults in this thread.

 

[L13]

No one, in fact there have been no personal insults in this thread.

so far, !

Let's keep it that way!

 

[tridacna]

Depends and yes. I dove with an operation and found them very reckless. Swore I’d never dive with them again. Then, over three years, two deaths. My instincts were right.

Are they still around?

 

[lostsheep]

Diving is inherently risky due to the fact that humans cannot breath water.

I stated that I was an instructor in extreme sports and high risk to provide context that I have been in similar situations and have an understanding on the time it takes for an investigation and report to be released.

Can I have examples of what constitutes extreme sports?

 

[CT-Rich]

I measure the risk of the activity PRIOR to mitigation. IE the inherent risk.

So yes the "basic" diving I do now is very high risk even shallow because I dive CCR which is inherently more dangerous.

I then mitigate the risk accordingly to MAKE it safe.

Is a CCR considered basic SCUBA? OC diving within in recreational limits and inside the NDL is the scope of the BASIC forum. Is OC scuba safe with no training, no redundant equipment, no line cutters, BCD, get rid of the dive computer, SPG, depth gauge, no J-valve, no watch… is it safe?

No you would be a f***ing idiot. But the same would said about any sport. Rent some skis and go to the top of a black diamond and teach yourself as you go…. Ski resorts have people on site just to fetch all of the injured skiers.

Skip all the safety gear and teach yourself motor cros. How well is that going to end.

The only safe thing to do is stay home. What are some sporting activities that Are LESS dangerous than Scuba? I am confused by what you consider a high risk sport.

 

[formernuke]

The only safe thing to do is stay home. What are some sporting activities that Are LESS dangerous than Scuba? I am confused by what you consider a high risk sport.

Hiking, karate, Hiking, football, soccer, baseball, skiing etc. In fact there are very few that are more dangerous.

Again you do not have to show a certain card to get skis and get on the lift. You do for ANY dive rental or charter.

By your reasoning. Flying is so safe so pilots don't need to do pre flight checks anymore, plane mechanics should do what you do with your car. After all flying is safe according to you so all that mitigation is totally not necessary. Those things are in place for a reason.

Same with diving, breathing underwater is inherently extremely dangerous. So we as collective group have a lot of mitigation in place. Cert cards required to rent gear or get on boats, pre dive checks, buddy checks etc.

The real danger with you and berndo is divers believing you that it's safe and getting complacent. Well this is a safe activity so I don't need to have my gear serviced, I don't need to make sure it's clean gas, I don't need to do pre dive checks etc.

A lot of actual dive incidents happen because of diver error, most of those are because of getting complacent and skipping safety related checks.

 

[berndo]

Same with diving, breathing underwater is inherently extremely dangerous. So we as collective group have a lot of mitigation in place. Cert cards required to rent gear or get on boats, pre dive checks, buddy checks etc.

You're playing a game of semantics. Scuba diving is very safe when you get training and follow the safety rules. Obviously it's not safe when you're not trained and don't follow the safety rules.
Telling people, especially beginners, that scuba diving is 'extremely dangerous' is fake news.

BTW: Hiking is not a sport and it's debatable if baseball could actually be considered a sport.