More Long Hose Ignorance

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I'm not a "tech diver" (so I'm reluctant to even post in this forum - be nice to me! :)). I did attend the opening lecture of a GUE Fundamentals class a couple of years ago, and many of my dive buddies are DIR, so I have some basic exposure to the concepts. I've been wanting to take the course myself, but timing, not to mention some reluctance to replace all my gear, have prevented me so far. I'm PADI aow, and use a back-inflation BCD and a console computer, all stuff I bought before I'd learned about GUE and long hoses and all of that.

I read that pdf, and I couldn't believe how ill-informed and utterly illogical it sounded. Add to that the poor grammar and spelling, and the whole thing came off as if it was written by some self-important schmuck with little formal education and limited diving experience who got promoted via the Peter Principle to a leadership role at this dive op, and is trying to exert some authority in his new high-powered job, in spite of lacking the most basic knowledge of the topic about which he was writing. He was clearly just making sh** up! And presenting it all in this imperious, overbearing way that raised my hackles even beyond the fact that it was all complete bs.

If I was a member of that dive club and I received that, I would have immediately quit and demanded a refund of any monies I'd spent on membership fees. I wouldn't want to belong to a club run by such pretentious, supercilious control freaks who seem to think they have a say in what I do solely because I choose to patronize their business. I'm "welcome to dive outside the club when and with whom I wish"? DUH - who are they to have any say in who I dive with...ever? "However, be aware that our club bears no liability if you are diving outside of our sanctioned club dives." Huh? What liability would they have otherwise? Isn't my liability covered by DAN?

Anyway, being the independent rebel that I am, the whole tone of that absurd letter ticked me off.

Among the more bizarre absurdities of it was the idea that recreational dive buddies with differing gear configs are "at risk". The silliness of that claim has already been pointed out in this thread, but I just wanted to mention that I've buddied with divers with a wide variety of configurations, including DIR divers...and isn't that what the buddy check is supposed to be all about? Isn't that WHY you review your configs before the dive - where's your octo? how do I ditch your weights? etc etc... Have they really not heard of that?

And even I, non-techie that I am, couldn't help but laugh at the irony that THEY are the ones suggesting that one should only buddy with someone with the same gear config. HUH? It's the tech divers that all have the same gear...it's the NON-tech divers that have more varying gear configs than sea gulls swarming around a fishing boat!

Anyway, I too would love to hear the dive op come in here and address this. I'd love to hear why they allowed someone with zero understanding of tech gear write up that letter about the use of tech gear and send it out to their client base.

Has anyone had any luck in actually contacting them about it?
 
Ill just say this....i am pretty new to diving and have very limited experience but even i can see the benefits that are in a "technical system"

1.) Durring OW training sharing air off of a short reg sucks, half the time i couldnt even look down to see how deep i was or where i was bc the hose was so short
2.) If it so unsafe why would it be the norm for divers who go to the most dangerous places to dive (Cave/wreck) i would think they would want the most trouble free system available
3.) the part about being strangled by ur long hose eliminated any remaining sense of credibility for the rest of the article to me lol
4.) if u get strangled by ur bungied secondary u deserve to die!!!! :no:

talk abt ignorance, He must be one of those people who went out and bought a fancy $$$$ "recreational" gear and poodle jacket with all the retractors, octo keepers, D-rings and pig stickers he could find to stick on it ....and now thats he's had more experience and seen how nice and streamlined tech gear is and now he is jealous :wink:
 
Hello.... Buddy check! It's there for a reason.

I switched to a long hose and have been very happy. My rescue class also had several different types of configurations to expose those in the class to sometimes unfamiliar gear. Since I dive with a long hose, I guess I got lucky and had to rescue that person and remove their gear. I also yelled to my buddy HOG to get some assistance- which worked out perfectly. I think exposure to different rigs is a great thing in diving and not everyone has a blue inflate button (a funny line used in class- I looked at my inflator and said "but mine's grey") :wink:

I will also say that I can deploy a long hose quicker and get on by back up much more efficiently.
 
Thought this was the perfect thread to write:

Anyone who doesn't think you should use a long hose on your regulator has never cleaned out the dryer vent in your wall with a scuba tank. MAN THAT WORKS GREAT WITH A 7' HOSE.

However, I am kinda covered in crap.
 
Thought this was the perfect thread to write:

Anyone who doesn't think you should use a long hose on your regulator has never cleaned out the dryer vent in your wall with a scuba tank. MAN THAT WORKS GREAT WITH A 7' HOSE.

However, I am kinda covered in crap.

:idea:
 
I remember reading a book/article by Gary Gentile when he suggested (slightly flippantly) that one thing people should consider is using a 50'-60' hose for wreck diving penetrations and stowing their doubles "at the door". You would be much more streamlined, for the penetration, and your "line" would be much tougher.

I can think of a few drawbacks though... although it would be fun to see the reactions of some people that that!
 
I remember reading a book/article by Gary Gentile when he suggested (slightly flippantly) that one thing people should consider is using a 50'-60' hose .....

I'd appreciate it if some of you more experienced and knowledgable folks would comment if my LONG hose is stored proper so as to avoid entanglement/choking hazards. Thanks! :D
 

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Nice long hose Irish


:rofl3::rofl3::rofl3::rofl3::rofl3:
 
I'd appreciate it if some of you more experienced and knowledgable folks would comment if my LONG hose is stored proper so as to avoid entanglement/choking hazards. Thanks! :D

Try it, and come back here with the results.
 
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