Hog Regulator Combo or get something better ???

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Im sure this has been talked about before but cant really find some good info.

So im looking at picking up a new regulator and see alot of people talking about the Hog set ups and can be picked up for super cheap!

Hog D1 Second Stage, Edge Epic Coldwater YOKE First stage(first stage ONLY), and being followed up with a Phantom Flex Hose for $220

also seeing the Edge stuff- it is the same? I see they offer a yoke instead of having a yoke din adaptor. are they the same product?

Now my real question is -
Am I better off getting something better or is this a great combo?

I am new to the sport and don’t know the differences between a great reg and an ok one. I would rather buy the good stuff once and have it last for years to come and not out grow it and want something better.

I have buddies that dive older atomic regs and that is currently what im borrowing and seems to work well. At least a lot better than the give I used for my certification.

So should I go with this this Hog set up or purchase something better?

Cost isn’t too much of a concern but im not wanting to over spend because Im buying a better name on the box.

Also can you get a swivel on this reg?

Im open to hear what all you experienced divers have to say.


Thanks – Kyle the newbie :)

Unfortunately some of the better regs are not made anymore. It has been bitten here down to the ground but one of the best would be a D series Scubapro reg. D350 , D300, D400 earlier models according to experts. I have already got 3 and switched my second stages on my stage regs to those regs. They are one of the best breathers. Some people say that Poseidons breath comparable as well, but I have not had a chance to try a Poseidon reg. If you are going to dive yoke tanks in warm water you can still get a used MK5/D series combo for around 100 and that would be a good breather. The problem with the D series is that not all technicians can tune them but you can always mail them to say DA Aquamaster and he can service it.

From many regs that I have tried which are based on a barrel design (I have not tried too many only zeagle , apeks atx, xtx, Atomic, HOG)) I like the current version of G250 , it is strudy, dependable, quality made and not as nervous as the others of the similar design. If you can source them on the gray market you can get them 1.5 price. I got mine through leasurepro when they still had those prices. There are some european sources that you can get them for the same price from.

From the first stages I like the most Apeks and Poseidons, I only saw Apeks inside and those look bombproof. I like how Zeagle 1sts are designed but they use plastinc for the thumbwheel which I do not like :) Performance wise I think they are all pretty good (cannot say for Poseidon as I have never seen one inside).

From how the IP recovers I liked the SP MK17 the most. DA Aquamaster has explained in one of his posts why this model behaves so well, From the diaphragms I performance wise I liked that stage the most.

Atomics look pretty well made but I think they over disigned their second with all those gimmics. I have not noticed any difference performance wise from any other regs.

So my personal list of preferene would be D series with (MK17, Zeagle FH, Apeks DST,DS4, MK5, MK20) G250V with (MK17, Zeagle FH, Apeks DST,DS4, MK5, MK20)
 
5 years to build a dealer network versus 50.

Seriously dude, get a life.
You are correct 50 years does make a difference.

As far as getting a life, I'm very happy with mine. My next dive trip is WAKATOBI in Oct.! BTW, last week I did 18 + hours of time U/W in the Sea of Cortez. I'm a bit bunmmed about only seeing the Speam Whales on the surface a few feet away. But, the image of their Tails made up for it.
 
You are correct 50 years does make a difference.

As far as getting a life, I'm very happy with mine. My next dive trip is WAKATOBI in Oct.! BTW, last week I did 18 + hours of time U/W in the Sea of Cortez. I'm a bit bunmmed about only seeing the Speam Whales on the surface a few feet away. But, the image of their Tails made up for it.

Nice twist.

Yes, 50 years does make a difference in building out a dealer network. So what?

It most certainly DOES NOT indicate any level of product superiority. The standard of evidence is a little higher there than simply years of existance.

Yahoo has been around longer than Google. Who is on top?

Rim was in the smartphone business long before Apple. Who is on top?

Get a life - as you are well aware - refers to your propensity for extolling the virtues of SP as a pure marketing / sales pitch. Being around longer doesn't make it better. For once, put up or shut up. Answer the questions as to whether you have even tried the other products. Try to provide some evidence or support for your position.

Heck, even my *limited* experience has included the rental SP from my cert, my current Apeks, and my son's Hog. All we get from you is cheerleading.

You have no credibility and it is getting tiresome.
 
Just for fun, I did a 500 mile search from my zip code. I found two ( 2 ) hog dealers.

One in Montana & one in Nebraska.

In Colorado alone we have 9 Scubapro dealers. No hog.

What does the number of dealers have to do with anything. I am sure we have more that 9 Scubapro dealers in Dade/Broward, what does that mean? How many Chevy dealerships are there in Colorado? How many Rolls Royce? Which auto is of better quality?

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You are correct 50 years does make a difference.

As far as getting a life, I'm very happy with mine. My next dive trip is WAKATOBI in Oct.! BTW, last week I did 18 + hours of time U/W in the Sea of Cortez. I'm a bit bunmmed about only seeing the Speam Whales on the surface a few feet away. But, the image of their Tails made up for it.

I am a bit bummed out that you did not go diving with the humboldt squid. BTW what is a Speam Whale?
 
I would bet a limb, had Hog being introduced to the market with a price like Scubapro, there would be no comments to how great Hog regs are, it would be quite the opposite.
 
I would bet a limb, had Hog being introduced to the market with a price like Scubapro, there would be no comments to how great Hog regs are, it would be quite the opposite.

I am not so sure.

Hog has certainly earned itself a much more customer service friendly reputation than SP has, and its willingness to train and supply parts kits to end users has won them a lot of support as well.

The performance characteristics are comparable, and debatable according to personal preferences. But you cannot discount everthing wrapped around that.
 
I am not so sure.

Hog has certainly earned itself a much more customer service friendly reputation than SP has, and its willingness to train and supply parts kits to end users has won them a lot of support as well.

The performance characteristics are comparable, and debatable according to personal preferences. But you cannot discount everthing wrapped around that.


That's all related to money, and that's exactly my point

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Sorry, I don't share the view of unfriendly SP customer service.
I think it's one of the best actually
 
I would bet a limb, had Hog being introduced to the market with a price like Scubapro, there would be no comments to how great Hog regs are, it would be quite the opposite.

You would lose your limb. Zeagle and Dive Rite do not sell at a discount price and nobody bad mouths them. The sad fact is that even after 50 years Scubapro does not know the scuba market as well as the upstart Hog.
 
Try to provide some evidence or support for your position.

You have no credibility
I had not heard of hog til last Nov. since I joined Scubaboard. I had never seen a hog til my Sea of Cortez trip last week.

I was not impressed.

The Scubapro regs. on the trip performed fawlessly.

Yes, almost all of my 5000+ are on Scubapro regs. I have over a 100,000 diver/hours of clients diving Scubapro with me.

If there was a better reg., don't you think I would be using it.

As far as credibility, please take a closer look at # of dives listed on each of our profiles.

Dive more, post less.
 
That's all related to money, and that's exactly my point

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Sorry, I don't share the view of unfriendly SP customer service.
I think it's one of the best actually

So exactly what is your objection?

That some people like the Hog/Edge line and feel it offers a better value than some other brands?

That you don't like the performance? (I'll make the same request as I did to BeaverDiver, please share your experience). . .

That perhaps you might have paid too much?

So, exactly what is your beef?

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I was not impressed.

Please share, why were you not impressed. . .

Did you dive with one of the regs?
 
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