Any updates on swimmers ear concoction?

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I think any pain or itching may be the first signs of an infection - isn't the DAN recommendation preventative medicine? Domeboro Otic was recommended for Navy divers as a preventative (5 mins per ear necessary for efffectiveness). I think if an infection is present (ear lining has been penetrated and bacteria have colonized) antibiotic drops are your only tried and true solution. But, as usual, I reserve the right to be wrong:)
 
I think if an infection is present antibiotics are your only tried and true solution.

Yes I edited your quote, but I still wonder what you think our immune system is designed to do.

I am of the opinion that our immune system works better than most people give it a chance to do, and if you never give it a chance to do it's job it atrophies, just like muscles.
 
I don't think the immune system as it is usually referred to is the issue. Diving or other causes of prolonged submersion are not what we have evolved to tolerate. The ear rinse solutions merely restore some of the natural balance. This is different than using a preventative antibiotic.

If you're going to dive with nay significant frequency you will be at risk. We're all different, some never do anything and never have a problem and as mentioned some get into trouble just bathing.

I consider the ear rinse to be more like washing your hands to prevent the spread of colds. The immune system can deal with the common cold virus in small doses. it's when you get a major exposure that life gets miserable.

Pete
 
Yes I edited your quote, but I still wonder what you think our immune system is designed to do.- Halemano


Well, Halemano, I don't care that you edit my post, but you do seem to be writing with a degree of attitude. I'm a health care professional, so I think I have a fair understanding of the immune system. Which aspect of our immune system are you questioning, physical barriers, eicosanoids and cytokines, lymphocytes, eosinphils, basophils, neutrophils, complement system, various interferons, etc? The main drug I work on now is interferon based, perhaps you wish to discuss virological responses? Our immune system is designed to defend us from the multitude of bacteria and other pathogen that enter our body. However, an infection often means that our immune system has been overwhelmed. The acidity of the ear canal also functions as part of our iummune system. During swimmer's ear, that first acidic layer of protection has been breached, and bacteria have colonized, so our immune system didn't completely work. You need antibiotics after you immune system has had a chance and failed. I suppose you don't believe in hand washing either, because all the bacteria on our hands just makes us stronger? Ever work in a hospital? Why do YOU think antibiotics were invented in the first place?
 
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MarKon, what I am trying to point out is that after 30+ years of living with chronic swimmer's ear, I now have no need for antibiotics. When I was young every ear ache was dealt with otic drops and pills, and I had many bouts every year. After I had some years of experience and talked to more experts I quit using drops and pills and now I have way less bouts and deal with them after I feel ear pain by using ear beer twice in each ear for 2 consecutive nights.

Is not the US king of the unnecessarily overmedicated?
 
Hey Halemano,
sry my post was a little pissy, posted right after the girl I was supposed to take out today canceled, my bad. You're right, we have totally overprescribed antibiotics, especially to kids, to the point where we create superbugs. that's pretty cool that the ear beer works after feeling pain, I guess the infection hasn't gotten too bad and rasing the acidity with the acetic acid is enough to wipe them out. I'm prone to ear infections after quarry dives, don't know why, but I'll give your recommendation a try next time I feel something coming on.
 
Just wondering; what was the size of your study group?

As stated before, I have been living with swimmer's ear for decades, and nearly a decade as a full time dive instructor. With this long training period I do know the early symptoms I feel, and I have never thought to myself "oh, my ear itches, I must be coming down with swimmer's ear."

When the ear pain gets annoying I soak each ear twice for ~5 minutes, for two consecutive nights. If there is significant ear wax I will do hydrogen peroxide a couple times before the first nights ear beer.

I do not ear beer before every dive and I do not ear bear every time I feel the slightest twinge of ear pain; I prefer to let my normal bodily functions deal with it as long as I can. I believe my body has learned/adapted to protect me better, but that would not have happened if I ran to the doc for drops every time I had a little pain.

This is my personal experience. The only consultations I have had have been from general practice and ent doctors. The last one I talked with works on the North Shore of Oahu and has many ocean people as patients, as well as being an ocean person himself.

Every one is different; some say I have a higher pain threshold than most. Find something that works for you, but do it with sound advice to chose from.

I agree with you. I have never used the concoction myself and I have never had an ear infection either. Must be the caverns on either side of my head, or maybe just the dry desert environment here in So. Cal.

The preventative treatment is to use your ear solution AFTER you dive/swim/surf/etc. not before.
 
One guy told me he uses peroxide?

This is what Alert Diver Magazine said...

"A freshly brewed concoction of one-third distilled water, one-third white vinegar and one-third isopropyl alcohol is often a much more effective mixture."

Doc Vikingo's Preventing Swimmer's Ear

Should I add peroxide to the mix or stick with the above formula?
The vinegar alcohol mix works very well. I'm prone to ear infections without it, but never with it. I never do the 5 minutes suggested, altho I'm sure it's a good idea; I just flush after each diver or each shower on a dive trip. DocV suggests 1/3 vinegar alcohol water as the half-half solution is a bit strong.

There are several reasons to not add peroxide to your ear without seeing a physician. It probly wouldn't hurt in the mix as it'd break down to simple water rapidly but why bother.

If you have insurance Id check in with an ENT. It may be impacted earwax saturated with water that he can easily remove or have other solutions and easily drain your ear.

There could be something you need to know about what led up to the condition.
I don't think he asked about that.
When I was in Belize with my boyfriend back in March he was having some ear issues and our DM told him to take alcohol (no beer or rum...medical alcohol only please :) ) and hydrogen peroxide and fill a cap with 1/2 & 1/2 and then dump it into your ear and wait for about 5 minutes. It worked like a charm. No swimmers ear and got all of the crap out.
DMs playing physician. Beware...!
If you throw in a few drops of glycerin (up to 15% of the mix), it will help keep your ear from drying out and itching.
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I have used this for a couple of years now and I have not had any problems diving or swimming since. I use it in the shower every few weeks or so. The first time I used it, it was alarming what came out!! :shocked2:

!"Earwax Removal With A Self-Use Ear Irrigation Syringe"!
Yeah, but I'd consult a physician first. Mine showed me how to use that.
 
I don't think he asked about that.

I kinda realize that. But this is why I suggested it as the Mayo Clinic has some good ideas but requires a ENT or doctor to treat and it can be done right without trying different home cures.

He should see an ENT and get a baseline diagnosis and he can work from there. He could have some other issues that need addressing and if not, then maybe he can self medicate but the self medication prescribed is mainly preventative medication and not corrective medication once an infection has set in IMO.

Excellent Video On Doc's sight by the way and thanks for posting that link but reinforces the need to at least see an ENT on first problem with ear infections.

Are you sure its bacterial and not fungal and that for sure diving is the sole cause ?


Swimmer's ear
Treatments and drugs
By Mayo Clinic staff

The goal of treatment is to stop the infection and allow your ear canal to heal.

Cleaning
Your doctor will use a suction device or ear curette to clean away any discharge, clumps of earwax, flaky skin and any other debris. Cleaning is necessary to help medications get to the infected areas of the skin.

Medications
Your doctor may prescribe eardrops that have some combination of the following ingredients, depending on the type and seriousness of the infection:

* Acidic solution to replicate your ear's normally acidic, antibacterial environment
* Steroid to reduce inflammation
* Antibiotic to fight the bacterial infection
* Antifungal medication to fight a fungal infection

Ask your doctor about the best method for taking the medication. Some ideas that may help include the following:

* To reduce discomfort of relatively cold drops in your ear, you can warm the eardrop solution by holding the bottle in your hand for a few minutes to bring it closer to your body temperature.
* If possible, have someone else put the drops in your ear.
* Lie down on your side with the infected ear up to help the medication travel to the site of the infection in your ear canal.
* Put a cotton ball in the "pocket" of your outer ear to absorb any excess fluid after you sit or stand up.
* If your ear canal is blocked by inflammation or excess discharge, your doctor may insert a wick that helps transport the medication into the ear canal.

If the infection is more advanced or doesn't respond to treatment with eardrops, your doctor may prescribe oral antibiotics.

Other treatments
You will need to keep your ear dry and avoid any irritation of the ear while you're treating swimmer's ear.

* Don't swim or scuba dive.
* Avoid flying.
* Don't wear an earplug or hearing aid before pain or discharge has stopped.
* Avoid getting water in your ear canal when bathing. Use a cotton ball coated with petroleum jelly to protect your ear during baths.

Tests and diagnosis
By Mayo Clinic staff

Your doctor will likely be able to make a diagnosis based on questions he or she asks and an examination of your ear canal with a lighted instrument (otoscope). Your ear canal may appear red, swollen and scaly. Flakes of skin and other debris may be present in the ear canal.

Your doctor will also want to see the condition of the eardrum (tympanic membrane) to be sure it isn't damaged. If the view of the eardrum is blocked, he or she will clear the ear canal with a small suction device or an instrument with a tiny loop or scoop on the end (ear curette).

If your eardrum is damaged or torn, your doctor will likely refer you to an ear, nose and throat specialist (ENT, or otolaryngologist). The specialist will examine the condition of your middle ear and determine if the primary site of infection is there. This examination is important because some treatments intended for an infection in the ear canal aren't appropriate for treating the middle ear.

There probably won't be any need for a lab test at your first visit. If the infection doesn't respond to treatment, your doctor may take a sample of discharge or debris from your ear at a later appointment. This sample would be sent to a lab for identifying the exact cause of your infection.

Prevention
By Mayo Clinic staff

Follow these tips to avoid swimmer's ear:

* Keep your ears dry. Dry your ears thoroughly after exposure to moisture from swimming or bathing. Dry only your outer ear slowly and gently with a soft towel or cloth. Tip your head to the side to help water drain from your ear canal. You can dry your ears with a blow-dryer if you put it on the lowest setting and hold it at least a foot (0.3 meter) away from the ear.
* At-home preventive treatment. If you know you don't have a punctured eardrum, you can use a homemade preventive eardrop before and after swimming. A mixture of 1 part white vinegar and 1 part rubbing alcohol may help prevent the growth of bacteria and fungi that can cause swimmer's ear. Pour 1 teaspoon (5 milliliters) of the solution into each ear and let it drain back out. Similar over-the-counter solutions may be available at your drugstore.
* Swim wisely. Avoid swimming in polluted water.
* Avoid putting foreign objects in your ear. Never attempt to dig out excess or hardened earwax with items such as a cotton swab, paper clip or hairpin. Using these items can pack material deeper into your ear canal, irritate the thin skin inside your ear or scratch the skin.
* Protect your ears. Avoid substances that may irritate your ears, such as hair sprays and hair dyes. Or put cotton balls in your ears when applying these products.
* Use caution after ear infection or surgery. If you've recently had an ear infection or ear surgery, talk to your doctor before you swim.
 
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Thanks for all the great feedback!

I decided to go with the 50/50 mix of vin and alc.

Does anyone know how long the shelf life is for that mix?
 

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