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I usually purge all my air post safety stop to control the ascent a bit better, however, having proper waiting is essential before doing this.

Nonetheless, I still have a lot of trouble keeping a tightly controlled ascent when floating around without a reference point (e.g. a drifting safety stop in Coz) - any tips on this? (e.g. such as using an SMB with a reel?)
 
Nonetheless, I still have a lot of trouble keeping a tightly controlled ascent when floating around without a reference point (e.g. a drifting safety stop in Coz) - any tips on this? (e.g. such as using an SMB with a reel?)

This is a wonderful opportunity to practice buoyancy control. You've got nothing better to do--why not put those 3-5 minutes to good use?

First of all, get some reference points. In Cozumel, you will have at least two:
  1. Your DM, who will probably have excellent control
  2. Your depth gauge or computer
Look at your computer or depth gauge and try to maintain your depth using nothing but your breathing. You can glance at the DM occasionally as well. You will get better and better at it as you do it, and your improved skill will translate into better buoyancy control during your dive as well.
 
I still have a lot of trouble keeping a tightly controlled ascent when floating around without a reference point (e.g. a drifting safety stop in Coz) - any tips on this?
Focus your eyes on the plankton and other suspended matter just outside your mask. It gives you a good reference for your ascent.

I suspect that in addition to thinking "my dive's over" at the end of a safety stop, another factor is that the surface looks much closer than it actually is. And of course there's the question of whether divers are weighted correctly for the end of the dive, having breathed out five or more pounds of air since they first descended.

I tell my students they should try to show off in the final ascent. Take it as slow as possible.

On the suggestion of "just touching" the boat ladder from below, please don't construe this as advice to make the final ascent directly under a ladder. Another diver may be at the top of it, about to fall back in, or a sudden move of the hull can bring it down on you. Swimming horizontally to it under water is okay. Better yet is to ascend a short distance aft of the boat, signal to the crew that you're okay, then swim to the ladder when it's clear.

-Bryan
 
Take a balloon with you on a dive. At your safety stop, inflate the balloon with a single breath of air. Secure the balloon with a line. Let it go. and retrieve it at the surface. Examine how much it expanded.

I've done this with kids to demonstrate how air expands on ascent. It work especially well if you have several balloons that you can inflate at various depths. It really demonstrates the importance of a slow-controlled ascent.

It's also a great science fair project for the young diver.
 
That was one of the messages pounded into our newbie heads by or OW instructor - minimum 3 minute safety stop on all dives and very slow ascent the last 15 feet.
 
It varies with the diver's abilities and physical awareness.

I teach divers to stretch and reach upwards to the boat ladder, just touching it for a few seconds, then slowly inching their way upwards.

Teaching control over this last 6 feet makes ascent rate, can make control a more understandable task.


I'm not being critical, But don't you think teaching new divers to ascend under the boat ladder an unnecessary risk of injury due to a pitching boat?
 
I didn't realize I was ascending too fast until I purchased a dive computer with an ascent rate monitor. For some reason it seems like the ascent is a lot slower than it really is for the last 10-15 feet.


I also didn't realize that I was ascending to fast until I got a computer.The first time it started screaming at me to slow down I was amazed. I always thought I was ascending at the correct speed. I didn't realized how much slower I need to be ascending.
 
I just finished a course and the instructor told me of an interesting article he had seen concerning ascent rates. The meat of the article was that divers were fairly religious in doing their 15' safety stop yet the average ascent rate from 15' to the surface was 200 fpm! I thought this seemed a little high until I started paying attention and noticed many divers popping up like corks following their safety stop. My only conclusion is they feel, "Ok, I've done my safety stop so I'm good to go." What are your observations and/or opinions?
I suspect that there is some truth in that. Would you ask the instructor for a reference? I'd love to have it.
That was one of the messages pounded into our newbie heads by or OW instructor - minimum 3 minute safety stop on all dives and very slow ascent the last 15 feet.
Let's be clear: A slow ascent will not hurt unless it is so slow that you start picking up gas.

The reality is that "Safety Stops" are antique artifacts that the recreational diving community seem to be unable to shed. In this day of 30 FPM, computer controlled ascents "safety stops" should become irrelevant. I say that as one of those who was in on originating them. The idea of safety stops came out of some research that showed that recreational divers were, in point of fact, making their normal ascents between 100 and 120 feet per minute, back when a standard ascent was 60 fpm.

The ascent problem was noted by the National Underwater Accident Data Center, it was investigated and confirmed by Glen Egstrom at UCLA, the safety stop was first suggested by Andy Pilmanis of the USC Catalina Lab Chamber back in the 1970s. It was first adopted by NAUI after the AAUS Decompression Computer Workshop where Bruce Bassett (as I recall) suggested perhaps a stop between 20 and 10 feet for two to three minutes would be every bit as effective as actually getting divers to slow down to 60 fpm. In addition it would also cover most errors of one depth too deep or one time too long.

So the "safety stop" was, in reality, a "cover" for divers' refusal (or inability)to slow their ascents in the pre-computer days. Anyway ... back then 60 fpm was the standard ascent rate and we all used Navy tables, If you knew what you were doing you came up 5 feet on your depth gauge/5 seconds on your watch.

At the same time that computers started to appear there was a flowering of tables, Harry Averill's brilliant reformatting of the Navy Tables into a circular design for NAUI, Karl Huggins' development of the Spenser No-Bubble model into a set of tables, PADI's first RDP, etc. Then two things happened, first was that all the agencies but PADI took the NAVY tables, cut them back a stop or two (for no scientific reason, just a "less is better" legal mentality) and put them out with their own logo on them (PADI came out with their RDP, a good piece of work by Ray Rodgers); second was the institution of the safety stop, which also had not tested scientific basis, just, once again, a "less is better" mind set and procedure patch, but a sensible one given the ascent rate problem.

The model Ray used for the RDP predicted the decompression required to keep the risk of DCS to a negligible level and included divers trying their best to ascend at a constant rate of 60ft./minute. PADI tested this with Dopplers and found that their approach was (I believe) a "no-bubble" solution. The reality is that with a 30 FPM ascent you're not going to have detectable bubbles anyway. If you are using 60 FPM based tables (and remember that the original U.S. Navy tables were almost based on 120 FPM to satisfy the needs of Doug Fane's UDT folks) Spenser did show that a 60 fpm ascent following 50 min at 2.8 ata would exhibit bubbles in some cases. But ... I believe that the PADI tables were doppler tested and a 60 fpm ascent within the limits of those tables did not show bubbles, thus demonstrating that making such a stop a waste of time and a singularly foolish criterion for emergency ascent planning. The idea of the divers trying their best to stop at 15', then trying their best to rise to the surface under control, well ... that was added by the lawyers looking at what other divers where doing (as a solution to the ascent rate problem) not by anyone with a background in decompression.

Well ... computers unexpectedly solved the ascent rate problem. Computers permitted very slow ascents and accounted for the possibility of gas uptake on such ascents and also provided an ascent speed indicator that slowed divers down, since most computers by that time required a 45 or even 30 fpm ascent rate. This was, in my mind, a wonderful thing. But that left us with divers who were performing a now unnecessary step, the "safety stop" and an instructor community with too little real knowledge of decompression to see that the "safety stop's" time was over (not to mention the fact that PADI was locked into a 60 fpm ascent rate and reasonably wanted to maintain the safety stops at least at the heavier exposure end of their RDP). So now PADI continues to push "safety stops" without any clear explanation of why and the "safety stop" seems to be rather indelibly inscribed in the sports diving community's procedures. Once again, from a decompression perspective a safety stop will not hurt you, and can only help (however minimally), but from an operational and procedural prospective can be problematic. The reason for the stop has been forgotten, just the procedure itself is remembered.

The greatest percentage expansion of the gas in your body occurs in the last 15' of the dive. If anything diver should ascend at a slower pace, not faster.
Yes.

I try to ascend slow with stops at 30ft (1 minute), 20ft (2 minutes), and 10feet (3 minutes) if I am doing a no-decompression dive.
It will not hurt, might help, but is likely just gilding the lilly. The problem comes in when divers start to worry if for some reason they are forced to forgo such "over and above" protocols.
 
As seems to be the norm, I was in fear of my thread being hijacked. What started as a simple question on ascents quickly turned into discussions on everything but.
Thalassamania....Thanks for getting the train back on the tracks. I'll try to get hold of the instructor (he's in Key Largo) and get you the source.
 
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