thanks for the tip on ocean explorers on st martin. i have been in contact with the dive shop at divi little bay, they seem nice and i will give them a shot at a 2 tank reef / wreck morning dive. as you noted, i am travelling with 2 others who find snorkelling with life jackets scary so i expect 3 dive periods will be all that i can hope for. the winair flight to saba sounds great, i heard that the landing at saba is something to remember. i doubt if i can convince the 2 ladies in my "party" to "tread water" while i dive in saba (this time) but i will be back soon enough. next year i have 2 weeks in antigua and will do some diving (and island hopping) then. i will let you know how my dives in st martin go but they will have to be special to outdo the lovely creatures at orient beach. moe, larry, CHEESE.......