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dazle once bubbled...
Would like to know what went wrong that caused the fatality, anyone know yet???
From the SF Chronicle : "He had been scuba diving with a group off the 85-foot commercial dive boat Spectre at about 2:45 p.m. when he suddenly surfaced near shore, waving his hands. But he was unconscious and face-down by the time rescue divers from the boat reached him, authorities said. "
 
Tragic..as all accidents are, but because this one occurred in a location, and off a boat that I dive often it strikes a nerve. Many dive spots off of Anacapa are somwhat shallow, and can be considered novice dives; I wonder about the cause.
Condolences to family and friends
 
"he suddenly surfaced near shore, waving his hands. But he was unconscious and face-down by the time rescue divers from the boat reached him, authorities said."

Could have been anything.

1) overexertion and heart attack
2) rapid panic ascent and A.G.E.
3) rapid ascent and D.C.S.

It will take an autopsy before much further speculation is possible.
 
I went on the Spectre the day after the incident happened(the 19th). People were talking about it and I didn't really know what was going on. Apparently he had his gear set up 5 seats down from me.

It's really tragic. I wonder if he had a dive buddy.

My condolences to the family,
Tom
 
When I set up a liveaboard trip I try to get 7 gate openings a day on all "non-travel" days, with 3 to 5 dive opportunities on a travel day.

When hunting the oil rigs off South Louisiana 10 to 17 dives a day is not uncommon. Most of those dives are short, but many are deep.

Keeping good track of your gas loading and hydration is important on any multidive trip, be it 2 or 20 drops a day. Neglect either and you'll be in for a long ride in a small chamber.

FT
 
This has pretty much already been said but just for my two cents...

It definitely depends on the depth and time. When I worked on St. Thomas, my dive site was at 20 feet and each dive was about 20-25 minutes. Doing this, I did 5-6 dives a day with about an hour and a half between #3+4 and sometimes if we were busy enough, I would do 7 dives in one day. This was very shallow for little time so we never had any problems. Gotta love that Caribbean diving!
 
Karl_in_Calif once bubbled...

No one should push the NDL limits, whether on a single dive or cumulatively on repetitive dives. Pushing the limits can guarantee a trip to the hyperbaric chamber. And if you do not have a hyperbaric chamber on site, then you are risking your life during the interval from the beginning of a DCS event.


Please explain why I shouldn't go into decompression or 'push' the limits of ndl?
Assuming you do know what you're at, decompression diving does not make you spontaneously expire
 
CincyBengalsFan once bubbled...


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I'm an excellent diver and great swimmer

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LOL. No shortage of self-confidence here! :mean:

I would do 4 in a day without worrying. I wouldn't do it several days in a row without worrying, though.

R..
 
Thanks for the great responses. I know that cold plays a factor in determining your SI and time below. I don't use a dry suit and have found the water to be a little nippy out at Anacapa/Santa Cruz. How do you all factor this into the equation? Also, not to be morbid or disrespectful to these victims but I have copied an article concerning diver fatalities in Monterey Bay for discussion purposes.

I was going to copy an article concerning the Spectre accident but it lists the victim's name. Is it appropriate to post such an article which lists the victims name on this board?

October 20, 2003

MONTEREY - For scuba divers, one of the world's great cold-water
destinations is the kelp forest of Monterey Bay, with its rich sea life,
which includes everything from starfish to sea otters. As many as 1,000
divers walk in or drop off boats into the bay on busy weekends.

Lately, though, the bay has been unusually treacherous. Since the summer of
2002, five divers have died in the bay's chilly waters in a string of
accidents that worries local officials and the businesses that cater to the
swarms of divers who descend on the bay each weekend. This year, two divers
died in August and another in May. Two died in 2002.

"We are all asking ourselves the same question: Why?" said Keith McNutt,
manager of Bamboo Reef Enterprises dive shop in Monterey. "I've been diving
here 15 years, and this is the most I have ever seen."

Drowning was the apparent cause in four of the deaths, according to
coroner's officials. The fifth victim suffered a pulmonary embolism,
apparently the result of decompression sickness. The circumstances and
locations have varied, leaving diving enthusiasts and public safety
officials puzzling over what, if anything, should be done in response.

Jeff Field, a training officer with the Pacific Grove Ocean Rescue Team,
said part of the problem might be the age of the generation of divers who
came to the sport in the 1980s, a period of rapid expansion.

Skills can get rusty, physical conditioning often fades and health issues
arise with advancing years. They combine to increase the chances for
underwater trouble. Though divers must take classes and pass a certification
test, subsequent training or follow-up classes are not required.

"Everything changes over the course of 15 or 20 years," Field said. "Your
physical fitness, your body chemistry, your comfort in the water."

Two of the five fatalities involved divers who were 51. A third was 42.

William Sidarweck of Norwalk, Conn., is still trying to figure out why his
wife, Corinne, 51, an accomplished diver, drowned in less than 15 feet of
water while diving in the bay during an August visit. She had come to
California to attend a wedding and decided to make a diving side trip.

She joined a diving boat trip out of Monterey that ferried participants to a
spot off Pebble Beach. Divers were to follow a line down to a depth of about
30 feet.

From what he has been able to piece together, Sidarweck said, it appears
that no one noticed that his wife had not made it to the bottom with the
rest of her group. By the time other divers noticed her motionless at about
15 feet and came to her aid, she had drowned.

"For her to die in 15 feet of water was unbelievable," Sidarweck said. He
noted that he and his wife had been diving for more than 15 years, including
numerous cold-water dives in New England.

Why she drowned may never be known. Some medical problem might trigger a
spasm, seizure or heart attack that leads to drowning, but often no
underlying cause is found. A final coroner's report is pending.

Later in August, Tammy Nguyen, 42, of San Jose was diving off Point Lobos
when she became tangled in kelp and apparently drowned. In May, Marie
Murray, 51, of Salinas drowned off Lovers Point in Pacific Grove after a
walk-in dive with her brother.

Ryan Masters, an avid diver who lives in Pacific Grove, was walking past
Lovers Point that morning when he heard Murray's brother frantically calling
for help from shore. Masters dove in, found her in the kelp and pulled her
ashore.

Masters says the spate of diving fatalities probably is just a run of bad
luck for Monterey Bay. But he adds that he often notices divers so out of
shape that they struggle just to carry their tanks to the water. Once
underwater, they face temperatures in the 50s, constraining wetsuits,
limited visibility and a kelp forest. "For an amateur diver, the conditions
are a lot more challenging," Masters said.

The Pacific Grove Ocean Rescue Team, which operates out of the city's Fire
Department, responds to about 70 calls for help a year. Of that total,
usually 20 to 25 involve divers, including an average of about one fatality
a year.

"It's a very dangerous sport," said Pacific Grove Fire Chief Andrew Miller.
"People really need to be physically fit to participate."



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"It's a very dangerous sport," said Pacific Grove Fire Chief Andrew Miller. "People really need to be physically fit to participate."

That is probably the main factor, probably due to the American sedintary lifestyle. The people who are getting into trouble are not tri-athletes.

Combine that factor with buddy separation, and a slew of buddy-dependent divers, who once they become separated are then in beyond their capabilities, in a diving environment that is no cake walk, and that spells trajedy.

We have had a bad year, meaning more than the usual one-per-year fatalities. Our rough beach site, Monastery, has had its quota of one death per year so far. The other diving deaths have been truly unusual, at really easy diving sites.
 
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