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MASS-Diver once bubbled...
... a while ago I was diving with local guy in 40' off Cape Ann and he went OOA...

I know I don't have a ton of experience with just under a hundred dives under my belt, but I am surprised by the number of OOA emergencies I have read about on these boards. I have only seen one OOA and that was when a diver had a swivel in their hose of their primary that blew apart and emptied the tank in seconds. Maybe it's because almost all of my dives have been in tropical waters, I've read about a lot of these incidents in cold water. Maybe it's because the guys I dive with plan the dive and dive the plan. Or maybe we've just been lucky...

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Nope, OOA incidents are pretty rare up here too in my estimation despite the fact we dive under so more diffcult conditions with lots more gear and weight (for example a friend of mine who only dives warm water said to me the other "man, it must be a pain diving with thick gloves all the time.")


In the incident I posted about, the guy was not my normal buddy,but, a well know local diver (who hopefully is not reading this post) who had not been in the water for a while. I could tell he was out of shape and he had a lot of trouble just getting his gear on and swimming throuhg the surf. The water was really cold and he was just sucking air down, he had an al 80 and I had an 120hp (I'm a runner and real skinny so I don't use much air) so it was a mismatch, but, of course the dive was planned taking this inot account.

I think he was just swimming so hard (we were in the water for over an hour) that he didn't realize he was sucking so much air and he didn't want to admit to me (a lesser diver) that he was low and I'm sure the thought of swimming in surface chop was not appealing. He could hardly walk after the dive. Basically he messed up big time.
 
Narcosis playing a larger factor than most guess. Cold deep dark water breathing a bit heavier than normal. Perception narrows and panic sets in.We'll never know......Maybe I 'm just having a narcotic thought.
 
Hmm. possible DCS hit or dead. I think I would risk the hit. I think more information will come out and the "picture" will get clearer. One problem I see is the writer who wrote up the story, I don't think he really understood the finer details.
Eric
 
ericfine50 once bubbled...
I think more information will come out and the "picture" will get clearer. One problem I see is the writer who wrote up the story, I don't think he really understood the finer details.

Definately... there is too much that just doesn't make sense. We'll need to hear the real story from the other divers involved...
 
I cannot remember if the instructor (who climbed aboard our boat after
the recovery) told me yes or no when I asked if he had a pony bottle
on, so I cannot definitively say (my memory tells me one answer but I
would rather not comment unless I am 100% sure)...and when his body was
pulled from the water he was without his BC and tanks so we didn't see
it then. Divers from our boat observed that divers in the group who
initially assisted the victim did have ponies, although from the
article it appears that buddy-breathing went on for a short while.

For those not familiar with the wreck of the Chester Poling, it is a
coastal tanker that broke in two during a storm in 1977. The stern
section sits upright in 100 ft of water. The bow turtled and settled
in 190 ft of water. The stern is a popular dive but can easily exceed
an "advanced open water" divers training level in poor conditions.

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It appears as there were three divers and an instructor also on the
boat. The instructor and the three divers went down together. At some
point, the deceased approached one of the students and took his regulator,
whether it was the primary or the octupus, is unclear. The paper seems
to indicate it was the octupus. However it appears as they exchanged
the regulator several times and then the deceased refused to relinquish
it, at which point the student headed for the surface, without the
deceased.

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The visibility was good, probably
25 feet. The seas were running about 3 ft and there was some current
midwater and on the wreck. On the bottom, I had 36 degrees water
temp (figure +/- 1 degree). My hands were becoming very cold after
25 min and had small ice flakes from the moisture of my breath coming
through the reg during most of the dive. That was something I have
experienced before, so I was not alarmed (I was also using Poseidon
Odins, which do pretty well in real cold water). There are two
moorings on the wreck, we were moored on the stern and the Cape Ann
Diver II was moored on the break end of the wreck.


Scuba diver dead in Gloucester waters

By JOHN ENOS

Staff writer

A Belmont man died while scuba diving on the hulk of the sunken oil
barge off Eastern Point yesterday afternoon.

Anthony Kalinowski, 50, of 18 Payson Road, was pronounced dead on
arrival at Addison Gilbert Hospital.

A Coast Guard vessel transported his body to the Harbor Loop station
after it was recovered from the Chester A. Poling.

Kalinowski had gone out to the spot where the barge broke up and sank
in January 1977. He was diving from a Cape Ann Divers' boat with four
other scuba divers.

Three were students instructed by Michael Paskiewski, 38, of Spencer.
He and the others were interviewed by Detective Joseph Fitzgerald and
Patrolman Sean Conners at the hospital.

Paskiewski told the police that Kalinowski dived first and alone,
ahead of the others.

The next time he saw Kalinowski, Paskiewski said, he was struggling
with Jesse Dotteror, 26, of Worcester.

Paskiewski said Dotteror broke away and the instructor tried to stop
Dotteror who was heading toward the surface too quickly.

Dotteror told the policeman that Kalinowski had come to him
underwater and took his extra regulator. After Kalinowski took two
breaths from it, he handed it back, the Worcester man said.

After Dotteror took two breaths, Dotteror said, Kalinowski took the
regulator back. When he refused to return it, Dotteror started for
the surface.

Another scuba diver, Shane Duclas of Chicoppee, told police he later
brought Kalinowski up after finding him on the barge's deck.

The man did not have a regulator to an air tank in his possession,
Duclas said.

The men interviewed by Fitzgerald and Conners estimated Kalinowski
was underwater for 15 minutes.

Local police notified the state police detectives assigned to
investigate unattended deaths for the Essex County District
Attorney's Office. They also contacted Belmont police to notify the
dead man's family.

The state's Medical Examiner's Office took jurisdiction of the case,
with an autopsy scheduled to determine the cause of Kalinowski's
death.

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Although the reason for the initial OOA is as yet unknown, the victim
still
deceased even though:

a) The victim was able to reach an alternate air source and begin buddy
breathing. ( I wonder why the donor did not go to his backup reg?)

b) He was observed by an Instructor during the OOA buddy breathing

c) From the Instructors comments in the newspaper report he seems to
have
intervened with the pair but was not able to establish an alternate air
source with the victim after the initial donor separated to the
surface.
This is in no way a criticism of the people involved, just an
observation
that a few chances to make a survivable ascent seem to have slipped by
for
whatever reasons.

I would also observe that unfortunately in like fashion to many other
incidents, the full story may never be known because he was diving solo
and
this seems to have been fully sanctioned by the dive operation. I get
the
sense from the description of his gear that he was on a single tank.

It is one thing to admit that as a charter operator/dive boat you
cannot
'force' people to stay in buddy pairs once they hit the water ... it is
another to officially condone, solo diving to 30m (on a single tank?)
They
may have some liability problems in their future with this one...

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The rest of the stuff I have seen deteriorates into a defense for solo diving...which we all know is crap.
 
When I worked on a dive boat, we would buddy up single divers at the dock during the briefing. BUT....... once they stepped off the boat, we had no way of knowing if they stayed as a buddy team or said "see ya" at the anchor line. I think more information is going to come out and this story has a lot more to play out.

Eric
 
What were student divers doing on this wreck at this time of year? I know the guy that died wasn't with them, but, it was a student that screwed up the buddy breathing right? This water is too cold for anyone without alot of experience diving at this depth. Sounds like there were some seas running too.


I hope cap ann doesn't catch any crap for this guy diving solo. This isn't the bahamas or something, if someone has their advanced card (which you must to dive this wreck)and they want to dive alone it's their buissness.

I'm very focused on safetey, but, if you are going to single out solo divers, what's next? Is the captain going to check everyone's gear over before the dive? Is he going to quiz divers out of the PADI mannual? Or how about a no pentration rule? These charter boats don't do the buisness that warm water boats do, they serveprimarily the local divers, and, as a whole the community recgonizes the right of a person to dive alone. Almost every cape ann divers charter I've been on, there have been solo divers. There's no law against it, just like there is no law against having a short hose or a 12cu pony.

This isn't a 30' reef in FL, it's Feb in 3' seas over the Poling, it doesn't take much to realize that this is dangerous diving and everyone need to take responsiblity for themselves.

Diving alone under most conditions is too risky for me, but, alot of people might think diving to 100' is too risky or that diving in 35deg water is too risky. Cape Ann Divers makes sure you have an AOW card and you are therefore educated about the risks, what you do after that is you business.
 
What were student divers doing on this wreck at this time of year?
No clue...

I know the guy that died wasn't with them, but, it was a student that screwed up the buddy breathing right?
That was my impression from what I read...

This water is too cold for anyone without alot of experience diving at this depth. Sounds like there were some seas running too.
I totally agree...

This isn't the bahamas or something, if someone has their advanced card (which you must to dive this wreck)and they want to dive alone it's their buissness

as a whole the community recgonizes the right of a person to dive alone
Here's where our opinions diverge a bit.. If solo diving is just as safe as diving with a buddy, why do people keep dying doing it? I understand people are aware of the risks, etc. etc. but I can tell you this: If that had been me on that wreck, I would have been with one of my regular buddies...and you can guarandamntee that we know how to share air and I would not be dead.
 
There are plenty of people who die diving with a buddy too....

Or those who start with a buddy, but "lose" him or her somehow.
 
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