Dutch Springs Incident

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by redstrom, Sep 6, 2009.

  1. redstrom

    redstrom Nassau Grouper

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    I was up diving Dutch this morning when the police and EMT showed up. From what I was told they pulled a young women from the Pump House corner of the quarry. There were conflicting accounts whether she was alive or not.

    Does anyone know if she is alright?
     
  2. qrpc

    qrpc Surface Interval Member

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    I heard she popped to the surface, did not drop her weights, and sank back down. I don't know what the original source of the problem was.

    When she was finally brought up by other divers she didn't have a pulse, so chest compressions were started. Last I heard the medic & EMTs got a pulse and she was taken by ambulance.
     
  3. britusa

    britusa Photographer

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    I had been told by one of the Dutch Springs staff that it was a "drowning" but he was on the Penninsula side, like me (i saw the lights of the emergency vehicles/police cars from the other side). So I don't know if he had accurate information or not. I came on this morning to see if others had heard, as there is nothing in the newspapers yet. I was told it was a 35yr old female that drown but nothing about what happened.
     
  4. fjm1221

    fjm1221 Garibaldi

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    I spoke to a Dutch Springs staff member who said the woman had completed her dive, came to the surface and couldn't get her BC to hold air. Reportedly, she didn't drop her weights and sank. Her dive buddy, who was low on air, called for help. The staffer told us she drowned.
     
  5. CJM

    CJM Scuba Instructor

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    This is terrible...
     
  6. redstrom

    redstrom Nassau Grouper

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    That's sad. I wonder if she ran out of air so she couldn't inflate her bc and subsequently breath under water when she sank back. Dutch typically has a staffer back in that cove. Hard to believe no one could get to her.

    We dove the Pumphouse literally minutes after the EMT cleared out and the area was very silted up to the point where I could barely see my buddy who was 4 feet ahead of me.
     
  7. MathMasterK

    MathMasterK Garibaldi

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    I do not have first hand knowledge of what happened, but I spoke with a member of our group who was diving near the pump house during/after the incident and happened across the woman's gear on the bottom. He checked the gauges and said the tank had plenty of air remaining. He and his buddy then surfaced to find the diver being attended to by rescuers. They went back down to grab the gear, but someone else was already bringing it up.

    With luck we'll be able to get more information on her condition and details of the incident. Hoping for the best at this point...
     
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  8. shawnk

    shawnk Guest

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    Dont know if the people who helped her and her boyfriend will see this but i would like to thank them for helping.

    I was wondering how she was. last i heard was that at the hospital they did get a pulse.
     
  9. dboyd

    dboyd Garibaldi

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    My Club was camping there all weekend and several people saw the incident, which was closer to the student side. We were on the Pennisula.

    Divers were the first to respond, although there was a delay because the first group the husband approached did not speak English and didn't understand enough to respond. A different group of divers followed up and then the DS crew in the boat.

    On Sunday, we were told she had a pulse and is currently in the hospital in a coma. We were told the accident was due to "training error" probably because she didn't ditch her weights after being asked several times by the hubby.

    Sad, I hope she pulls through, though I'm sure there will be residual damage.

    I've been diving here for 10 years and it seems like the "incidents" are increasing simply because there is a TON of more people there now. The Park has become very popular and draws people from NY, NJ, PA, MD, DE, and more! Obviously, at a quarry, there is a LOT of training going on and many folks practicing their skills.
     
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  10. openmindOW

    openmindOW Scuba Instructor

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    Please ask the diver who spotted the gear to fill-out an Incident Report soon. This should be done soon, as memory will become more fallible as time elapses.

    Also, based on what you wrote I would respectfully suggest that you make your report available to Dutch Springs staff, Police, and family of the injured diver. If you only submit the report to the agency, such as PADI, the agency might have a tendency to sit on the reports and to not share them with any other entity.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2009
  11. Randy43068

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    Damn.. so sad.

    I hope there is a positive outcome for this young woman.
     
  12. ksb_scuba

    ksb_scuba Garibaldi

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    "Divers were the first to respond, although there was a delay because the first group the husband approached did not speak English and didn't understand enough to respond. A different group of divers followed up and then the DS crew in the boat"

    Yeah. Like I need to read shakespeare's pieces in original to know whats goin on.

    The first person that reached that couple was my bud, though he left all gear but fins on the platform to get there asap. When he got there woman was 4 feet below the surface and her buddy was holding her octopus with the rest of his strenght just to prevent her from going down. We dumped her equipment, but woman was already unconscious and did not respond to cpr performed by another diver that was around. In a short time DS staff boat was there and took woman aboard where my buddy continued improvised cpr.

    "member of our group who was diving near the pump house during/after the incident and happened across the woman's gear on the bottom".

    Do I know U?

    BCD had a leak in a place where inflator hose was attached to the jacket thus i had to use my own wing to lift stuff from the bottom.

    Prolly woman's inflator failed during dive and she tried to ascent swimming up with her buddy, however her gear was to heavy and in a confusion they struggled to stay on the surface instead of dropping all weights. At some point she got to tired.

    I heard she is injured but alive. Hope she"ll be fine soon.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2009
  13. xenopus

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    My wife and I were getting out of the water when the EMT was trying to revive her. I hope she is alright.
     
  14. openmindOW

    openmindOW Scuba Instructor

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    Thank you, KSB. KSB, do you know if the injured diver had a weight belt or a weight-integrated BCD?

    Thank you for helping in the emergency. Did you file a report on what you saw? If not, please do. I would recommend that you submit to the police, the family of the injured diver, Dutch Springs, and the agency of your choice.
     
  15. oly5050user

    oly5050user Scuba Instructor

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    would also be interesting not only if weight belt or integrated system used but how much lead she had on ,what is her physical size,wet suit or dry suit,was it a training dive? Probably an example of too much lead and a diver using a bcd as an "elevator" rather than having been shown proper buoyancy control methods or failing to use proper skills shown during ow course.
    If you cannot EASILY stay on the surface with an completely empty bcd and breathing off your regulator or snorkel with out kicking or moving you have too much weight.
     
  16. Rescue Diver68

    Rescue Diver68 Scuba Instructor

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  17. njhunter167

    njhunter167 Angel Fish

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    Does anyone know you?

     
  18. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Tech Diver

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    This is why I have added a Buddy Skills and Assist dive to my AOW course. One of the skills covered is loss of buoyancy ascent and assist. It's where I disconnect the students inflator and have their buddy bring them to the surface and keep them afloat until they dump weights, reconnect inflator, or ditch the gear. We also do an unconscious diver from depth in OW class.

    I teach it both ways where the vic is conscious and where the vic is unconscious. We even cover dumping just a portion of the vic's weights should they be overweighted. Of course this should never be the case after my AOW or OW course as proper weighting in covered and insisted on from day one.
     
  19. Kathybean

    Kathybean Garibaldi

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    Woman hurt in scuba-diving accident at Dutch Springs has died, coroner says
    by Express-Times
    Thursday September 10, 2009, 2:14 PM
    A 47-year-old Luzerne County woman died early today in connection with a scuba-diving accident that happened Sunday at Dutch Springs in Lower Nazareth Township, according to the Lehigh County Coroner's Office.

    Paula Brodie, 47, of White Haven, Pa., was pronounced dead at 2:07 this morning. After an autopsy this morning, Lehigh County Coroner Scott Grim attributed the death to drowning. He ruled the death an accident, according to a news release
     
  20. ohmdiver

    ohmdiver Orca

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    Sad, I was there that day, my best regards & condolences.

    To far away to know what was going on.,
     

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