Formal education: option or obligation?

Is formal education in today's diving

  • an option

    Votes: 29 55.8%
  • an obligation

    Votes: 23 44.2%

  • Total voters
    52

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A competent, bright diver can pick up a lot of fine-tuned skills from their community. They can also learn a lot from textbooks, references and the like. Thus, progressing into areas that would normally considered the territory of formal education.

Like Nitrox. Or Deco. Or whatever.

Inside that home community, getting fills and equipment, and going dives is a no brainer, because everyone in the community knows this diver and respects them.




...As soon as this diver goes to, say, Bonaire, and wants to dive the Windjammer with their measley little OW card, it's a brick wall. (let alone dive Nitrox!) For a plethora of reasons, today's diving is set up around an examination of skills via "formal training". Which makes it an obligation, not an option.

This is not to say this diver can't move to a new location, and eventually get references and bonafides from their prior dive community. This would eventually let them return to their prior elevated level of diving, and method of gaining skills, albiet slooooowwly and as a PITA. The same could be done for trips too, I suppose, but again it would be a flail festival.


In today's world, it's a neccesity, which makes it an obligation. Not an option.






All the best, James

What you are saying has nothing to do with Dale's question. A diver can be self taught or mentored in nitrox or deco and that has nothing to do with needing a card to dive somewhere.
I have everything I need to be able to dive any way I want, boat , compressor and knowledge. That I may not be able to dive everywhere I want because of having to depend on someone else to supply what I can not bring with me has nothing to do with how I acquired my diving knowledge or what it encompasses.
 
I agree with James 100%. What is done in your own backyard with your peers melts away when you show up at fill express and request 18/45 and some deco gas for tommorows dive whilst presenting your nitrox card!!!OMG

It boils down to you need universally recognised credentials to operate outside your own back yard.
Eric

Again how does that apply to what you know and how you learned it.
My backyard encompasses most of the continental US. Unfortunately my boat is not capable of reaching the South Pacific or Caribbean islands.
 
fdog that is where you are wrong, if you go to Harbour village marina next to the lighthouse you can rent a boat and dive the windjammer with a measley little open water card, that is all my niece has, and even did it on a night dive.

Captain post is correct on dales thinking on this thread.
 
Again how does that apply to what you know and how you learned it.
My backyard encompasses most of the continental US. Unfortunately my boat is not capable of reaching the South Pacific or Caribbean islands.

I did not reply to the original question because I have grown tired of being measured or validated or observed by others. I am not normal and do not wish my path to where I am now on anyone.
:no:
There are many paths to smarts, if they all go to the same place eventually the only thing I see wrong with them is that Darwin steps in to thin the herd occasionally. I was lucky enough not to be culled on the path I chose. Others may not be so fortunate, so I do not chest thump anymore.

Like you I have my own compressor, nitrox stick, and bank helium. I have had to many boats in my life. I have two cards. Naui scuba diver card circa 1980 and a nitrox card circa 2006. These cards do not limit my diving when in my own back yard. However if you show up at fill express to get gas for the Lowrance when on vacation it is an issue.
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So to answer your querry directly, I have recieved scant little formal instruction, but I am the recipient of a masters in the school of close calls, and mentoring by others.

I am currently being evaluated for a trimix card, if succsessfull fill express will not have to be mean to to me anymore.
Eric
 
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Thank you James. If I understand you correctly you are saying it's an obligation due to external factors but not primarily from any intrinsic need (not wanting to put words in your mouth). If that's the case then I agree, though I see this as a barrier to access more than to learning. Good point though.

Scuba noob, what do you base your impression on? Feeling or fact. I'm thinking of those threads I've seen in the A&I sub forum wherein new divers have died during formal training. Can you link to a thread where someone has died from completely wrong informal education? I'm sure someone, somewhere, can but I'm interested in how you developed your impression.

Yes, Dale, a spot on encapsulation of my thoughts. Wish I could be as succinct as you.

Cheers!


All the best, James
 
... I have my own compressor, nitrox stick, and bank helium. I have had to many boats in my life. I have two cards. Naui scuba diver card circa 1980 and a nitrox card circa 2006. These cards do not limit my diving when in my own back yard. However if you show up at fill express to get gas for the Lowrance when on vacation it is an issue...

there are usually issues of some sort on vacation. :wink:
 
Formal training may produce a few bad divers, but no formal training would produce a lot more.
I don't want anyone to just grab some gear and jump in the water - not just for their safety, but also for the preservation of our reefs, etc.

Similarly I seen plenty of bad drivers on the road, but have you ever been to a country where driving licences aren't required?
 
You are confusing licensing with education. Have you ever seen a driver who didn't take formal driving lessons? Is formal education in driving an obligation or a option...
 
You are confusing licensing with education. Have you ever seen a driver who didn't take formal driving lessons? Is formal education in driving an obligation or a option...
Not sure what it is today, but back when I started driving, most kids learned from their parents ... or their friends ... :shocked:

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Not sure what it is today, but back when I started driving, most kids learned from their parents ... or their friends ... :shocked:

... Bob (Grateful Diver)


I'll date myself here :D.......Mine started driving a purple Gremlin in a mall parking lot. Good times
 
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