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I have HOG and Edge and prefer the Edge configuration for rec diving. The second stage is lighter, comes with braided hose and swivel, and breathes just as good as the HOG.

I have taken the Edge to the max recreational depth(130') and the breathability was phenomenal. That is not deep to tec divers but for me its probably as deep as I will go.

Anyway, I am a convert.Go Edge and enjoy. I used Jim Lapenta on here and he will be the one to service mine.
 
I havent knocked ScubaPro and never will. I do get rather annoyed when people post things that imply that cheaper is automatically inferior or that trying to save a few bucks makes a person less worthy of diving in some way. That is a totally ridiculous premise.

Sometimes things are cheaper because they are made of inferior materials or have inferior workmanship. Sometimes they are cheaper because the new kid on the block is trying to get a bigger market share and is willing to make less profit per sale in order to do so. Sometimes things are more expensive because they have been around long enough management structure to grow beyond what is really necessary and drive the price of the items up and sometimes a "Brand" gets so big they feel entitled and demand more profit just because they are who they are.

I am sure there are other scenarios as well. I am not knocking ANY brand name. I found a reg that I love that costs less. To me that is a win win and I do get a bit perturbed when folks knock HOG based solely on its price point. If you have actually evidence that they are inferior....trot it out.
 
...from my point of view

Start with performance, and there are two angles here that I consider

One is how easy it feels to breath, it needs to do so easily. We all have slightly different tastes in how that ease of breathing is delivered, some like major venturi, others not at all. I like a small amount of venturi but must be smooth, not harsh.

Other than WOB (work of breathing) I consider the gas flow, it affects WOB but a GREAT design will simply have the ability to move gobs of gas, as much as a tank valve will give it (something some manufs tend to avoid when touting their flow ability... LOL)[

Then I start to look at build quality, I want the thing to last and hold up to marine use, there are some brands that have a great look and performance that can't last 5 years in average use... that is wrong.

I then make sure I can use pretty standard tools, the goal is to make a great reg, not a complicated one. I admire people that can do complicated stuff..really. Not my approach however...

Thanks, you're the 1st(only) to try and answer the question, and you pointed in the direction one must look to determine what makes one reg better than another, all it's left is to quantify those areas, work of breathing, gas flow(quantity), gas flow turbulence(how harsh or smooth), moving parts(as in reliability), quality of materials used.
I believe the MK25/S600 is set to about 145 ip with a cracking point at 1.1 - 1.2 on the work of breathing, whatever those numbers means, and it has a flow of 300 ft3/min if I'm not wrong, that's a starting point, there are many other things we can measure.
Before the haters get all riled up and start jumping up and down, let me say that I picked the MK25/S600 simply because I know the numbers on that one and simply because Scubapro is the only company being picked on in these debates of reg quality, please feel free to insert your reg of choice there and we can start from there.

cerich, I must apologize to you, It is not my intention to do any harm to your company, I have no agenda and none of my posts are directed at you or your busyness, I have never used any of your gear and can't comment on it, my questions are to the people who make posts like
"you can buy (insert company name here) regulator which is just as good as (insert company name here) regulators for half the price"

That red bit there is what bothers me, not because I need to discredit it, I can't, I haven't touched a Hog, I'm simply asking for people to provide the basis for their claim, just as much of info on the one they are comparing it to, since they are agreeing on it being good, unfortunately, as someone pointed out, Hog owners get offended by it.

A valid reason I want to know this is that when I'm on a 300' wreck or several thousand feet back on a cave, I simply want to be on the best gear, if Hog is the best, I have no problem switching to it and would do it with no hesitation, some things, money can't buy.

To everyone - If you think I am trashing Hog, or defending Scubapro, please reconsider, I am explicitly saying that is not the case, it's simply a case of poor communication skills in my part, all I'm trying is to gather as much info to assist myself in better choices, that's all.
 
Before the haters get all riled up and start jumping up and down, let me say that I picked the MK25/S600 simply because I know the numbers on that one and simply because Scubapro is the only company being picked on in these debates of reg quality, please feel free to insert your reg of choice there and we can start from there.

For my part, I have no issue with SP - only with beaver.

cerich, I must apologize to you, It is not my intention to do any harm to your company, I have no agenda and none of my posts are directed at you or your busyness, I have never used any of your gear and can't comment on it, my questions are to the people who make posts like
"you can buy (insert company name here) regulator which is just as good as (insert company name here) regulators for half the price"

That red bit there is what bothers me, not because I need to discredit it, I can't, I haven't touched a Hog, I'm simply asking for people to provide the basis for their claim, just as much of info on the one they are comparing it to, since they are agreeing on it being good, unfortunately, as someone pointed out, Hog owners get offended by it.

Again, for my part the "as good as" is based on comparing (subjectively) my Apeks to my son's Hog. They are IMO just as good. I am not personally an owner, and I don't care if someone doesn't like them. It does not offend me.

Beaver offends me.

A valid reason I want to know this is that when I'm on a 300' wreck or several thousand feet back on a cave, I simply want to be on the best gear, if Hog is the best, I have no problem switching to it and would do it with no hesitation, some things, money can't buy.

To everyone - If you think I am trashing Hog, or defending Scubapro, please reconsider, I am explicitly saying that is not the case, it's simply a case of poor communication skills in my part, all I'm trying is to gather as much info to assist myself in better choices, that's all.

Speaking for myself, I don't think you are trashing Hog. What you are seeing is the reaction of people who are tired of beaver's constant unsubstantiated cheerleading.
 
...from my point of view

Start with performance, and there are two angles here that I consider

One is how easy it feels to breath, it needs to do so easily. We all have slightly different tastes in how that ease of breathing is delivered, some like major venturi, others not at all. I like a small amount of venturi but must be smooth, not harsh.

Other than WOB (work of breathing) I consider the gas flow, it affects WOB but a GREAT design will simply have the ability to move gobs of gas, as much as a tank valve will give it (something some manufs tend to avoid when touting their flow ability... LOL)[

Then I start to look at build quality, I want the thing to last and hold up to marine use, there are some brands that have a great look and performance that can't last 5 years in average use... that is wrong.

I then make sure I can use pretty standard tools, the goal is to make a great reg, not a complicated one. I admire people that can do complicated stuff..really. Not my approach however...

Thanks, you're the 1st(only) to try and answer the question, and you pointed in the direction one must look to determine what makes one reg better than another, all it's left is to quantify those areas, work of breathing, gas flow(quantity), gas flow turbulence(how harsh or smooth), moving parts(as in reliability), quality of materials used.
I believe the MK25/S600 is set to about 145 ip with a cracking point at 1.1 - 1.2 on the work of breathing, whatever those numbers means, and it has a flow of 300 ft3/min if I'm not wrong, that's a starting point, there are many other things we can measure.
Before the haters get all riled up and start jumping up and down, let me say that I picked the MK25/S600 simply because I know the numbers on that one and simply because Scubapro is the only company being picked on in these debates of reg quality, please feel free to insert your reg of choice there and we can start from there.

cerich, I must apologize to you, It is not my intention to do any harm to your company, I have no agenda and none of my posts are directed at you or your busyness, I have never used any of your gear and can't comment on it, my questions are to the people who make posts like
"you can buy (insert company name here) regulator which is just as good as (insert company name here) regulators for half the price"

That red bit there is what bothers me, not because I need to discredit it, I can't, I haven't touched a Hog, I'm simply asking for people to provide the basis for their claim, just as much of info on the one they are comparing it to, since they are agreeing on it being good, unfortunately, as someone pointed out, Hog owners get offended by it.

A valid reason I want to know this is that when I'm on a 300' wreck or several thousand feet back on a cave, I simply want to be on the best gear, if Hog is the best, I have no problem switching to it and would do it with no hesitation, some things, money can't buy.

To everyone - If you think I am trashing Hog, or defending Scubapro, please reconsider, I am explicitly saying that is not the case, it's simply a case of poor communication skills in my part, all I'm trying is to gather as much info to assist myself in better choices, that's all.

Another thing to consider is we are often comparing apples to oranges. For example, I love the Edge Epic. However, I will only dive to recreational limits. Would I still love them if I were 300' deep? I have absolutely no idea! I never wanted to go deeper until I dove the Oriskany this summer.

Application means everything. My HOGS and EDGE are phenomenal for my type of diving. They might not be for yours. So we have to consider all things.
 
"you can buy (insert company name here) regulator which is just as good as (insert company name here) regulators for half the price"

I've dove Sherwood, Mares, ScubaPro, Oceanic and Hog regs. I've owned Mares and Hog and I'm a recreational diver. I've heard people say they have been to 300' with Hog but that's not my thing. I have no problem making a statement like that because I know a great many things in life are all about branding and marketing.

Very often products are very similar with subtle differences in quality and features but massive differences in perceived value thanks to branding and marketing.

I've owned my Hogs for about 4 months now and put around 30 dives on them and I have no regrets on my choice.
 
For my part, I have no issue with SP - only with beaver.

Beaver offends me.
Have you thought about Viagra?
 
I believe the MK25/S600 is set to about 145 ip with a cracking point at 1.1 - 1.2 on the work of breathing, whatever those numbers means, and it has a flow of 300 ft3/min if I'm not wrong, that's a starting point, there are many other things we can measure. Before the haters get all riled up and start jumping up and down, let me say that I picked the MK25/S600 simply because I know the numbers on that one and simply because Scubapro is the only company being picked on in these debates of reg quality, please feel free to insert your reg of choice there and we can start from there.

You seem to have a lot of misconceptions, first nobody here hates Scubapro most just feel they are not a good value given choices like Hog. There are many threads on all the major scuba sites discussing in not too flattering terms the discontinuation of the parts for life program. I leave you to look at them. If you are really interested in regulators I suggest you read Vance Harlow's and Peter Wolfinger's books on the subject of reg repair. I also suggest you download the reg repair manuals from Frogkick and some of the other sites, so you can see the actual differences between regulators. The recommended internal pressure of most regulators (including a MK-25) in 135 +/- 10 psi so that number is meaningless. What is more important is how stable a first stage is at keeping that level. The cracking pressure on an S600 is 1.0 - 1.4 where as on a lower-end R295/395 it is 1.2 to 1.8. In comparison, the cracking effort on an Apeks ATX-200 is .8 to 1.4. So Apeks wins the cracking effort battle so does that make it better?
 
Stay classy.
I spent all day U/W breathing off a Scubapro Mk25/S600.

Can you get more Classy than that?
 
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