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Ok, so I've read a lot of messages and from what I can gather, NAUI or PADI doesn't really make a difference, the main difference is the Instructor.
That being said, how do one go on chosing an instructor ? I know, that might sound stupid but as I'd like to learn to scuba dive, I'd prefer going with a good instructor (by the way is there such a thing as a bad instructor ?).
 
Hi,

There are a few ways to check:

1. Ask to see the instructors certification level. This dosen't answer your question by itself, but more experienced instructors can make the class go smoother.

2. Ask for a certification print out. How many students has the instructor certified?

3. Meet the instructor. Are they interested in YOUR needs, or do they simply talk about their accomplishments? What is your impression of them?

4. What is the staff at the facility like? Professional? Helpful? Friendly?

5. What does the rental gear look like? in good condition or is it tattered? Is the store clean?

6. Ask for references from past students, and talk to them. Did the course meet their expectations?

7. Try a "discover scuba" with the instructor, to get a taste of how they teach.
 
Okay -- here is a start: Visit 2 or 3 shops in your area. Talk to the Instructor ( as opposed to just the owner). You won't possibly be able to find out the depth of what the Instructor knows, but you will learn volumes from the way he/she answers your questions, AND the kinds of questions he/she asks you. GOOD instructor traits are: enthusiasm about diving, emphasis on safety, lack of 'attitude' -- all knowing, always right, elitist, etc.), interest in YOU -- what your goals in diving are, your likes/dislikes, emphasis on developing dive skills correctly, instead of 'fast'. Also, look for 'chemistry' -- does the instructor look at things in a way similar to you, do you feel comfortable with their judgement? This is a start-- others will have additional input. Have fun!
 
ScubaJD:
is there such a thing as a bad instructor ?

Most of them.

A few points to consider/questions to ask:

Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.
 
ScubaJD:
(by the way is there such a thing as a bad instructor ?).

You bet!

Try posting the area you want to take lessons in and see what recommendations you might get from board members on instructors or facilities. But don't forget that the advice MIGHT might be worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
So what do you do if all of your local shops farm out the instruction jobs? I imagine there are areas in the US or elsewhere where there are only owner/operators who contract instruction, and no instructors that are in the shop all the time.

This is quite common in my area. For my OW course, I was lucky, and I had the same instructor for both the classroom/pool and the open water portions. However, until I showed up for class, I had no idea who my instructor was. It took a good bit of effort to find a shop where the owners are actually the instructors, though this was after the fact.

In such a case, I'd think you would have to refer to friends and acquaintances for a referral of an instructor, and then make a request of the LDS to be in that class.
 
opiniongirl:
2. Ask for a certification print out. How many students has the instructor certified?

Of your list I will more or less agree with all of them except this one ... it's meaningless.

Many bad instructors are nothing more than C-card mill operators. I know one locally who regularly runs classes of 20 or more ... mostly through his proximity to a military base ... and yet I think he's the worst instructor I've ever seen. He often stands on shore during OW classes and bellows instructions out to his assistants (a violation of S & P, by the way). I've seen the students he turns out ... and they have no skills whatsoever.

Last week-end he showed up at a dive site where I was leading a dive. The water turned to mud in no time. And rather than teaching his students anything about buoyancy control, he instead was (jokingly) giving them a hard time about being "mud puppies". These poor students were literally doing their "tour" on their hands and knees!

Yet ... this guy has certified hundreds, if not thousands, of "divers" ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Excellent point. Those who've certified the most divers are often the least skilled. Numbers come from a complete disregard for quality.
 
I understand that there are exceptions to everything, and that this is not the only indication.

However, in an environment where experience is often professed and not logged, I would rather see proof of experience. In most cases, an instructor with more certs is more experienced than an instructor with less certs, especially if there is a wide range of courses taught.

This info sheet worked great for me as a manager of a store, when dealing with new instructors wanting a job. I had one individual (extremely arrogant) who wanted to take the tech side of teaching for the facility by storm, blah blah he's so experienced...yet had less than 4 nitrox certs and wanted to teach trimix.

More than anything, checking the certifications count shows honesty.
 
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