Originally posted by Lost Yooper
I don't know, Nate. Weinke, Maiken, Baker, Hamilton and others all seem to like what they see. The US Navy and Duke University seem to be interested too.
They like parts of it. Deep stops, slow ascents, etc...
However, those aren't George's stuff, but stuff that he integrated. Some of the short cuts he's been making safely are his, and they're interested in those portions. But, they certainly don't advocate them (but, neither to they disagree with him).
No-one seems to agree with his attitudes towards flying after diving, ignoring nitrogen effects on multiple dives, and some of his beliefs about doing shallow dives first, and deep dives later. (Although, of all his theories, he seems the least interested in pushing this one as valid.)
Please don't take offense to this, Nate, but I believe your distrust and skeptism of what Irvine says is mostly the result of ignorance, inexperience, and brain washing from other dive agencies.
Careful now, you're starting to sound alot like George, and act like him as well. If someone disagrees with you it's their fault.
You have *NO* idea of my background, so don't assume I'm an ignorant brain-washed farm animal.
My skeptism has faded because I've seen it work first hand (and I'm not a vegetarian superman athelete either).
Do you do multi-dive, multi-day trips often? Do you fly right after diving?
One thing is for certain, and that is that I have been lied to directly by "respectable agencies". I trusted them with my training, and I now know they gave me a false sense of security.
I'd much rather deal with someone that lies to me and knows it vs. someone that thinks they're telling me the truth when they really don't know any better. At least with the former, the truth is available.
Keep up the skepticism, Nate. In the end, it's your choice who you're gong to follow and believe. I've presented my case about as clearly as I can as to why I follow who I follow (and why I don't follow others). Hopefully, you'll sort through all the BS and come to some conclusion that makes sense for you.
That I will.
One final piece of advice, always consider the motives of those you listen to.
For what it's worth, this is probably the single-biggest reason why I distrust GI3. His appears to be motivated by pure ego. He wants to be right for the sake of being right, and not for any other reason. I don't know if I've seen a bigger ego displayed publically in my entire life.
I'm *much* more willing to trust someone like yourself, who seems much less motivated by ego. You're agenda is certainly less understandable, and I'm willing to give you the benefit that what you appear to be is what you are.
On the other hand, I want to know for myself what your ideas are grounded on. For that, I congratulate you. You've been an
awesome source of information. I've read almost every one of the deco URL's you've posted over the last year. I don't always understand them the first time through, but having been through them a few times, I understand more and more. (Although the more I read, the more I agree with the real experts that no-one really understands deco theory, despite George's claim to the contrary).
Always the skeptic!
Nate
