That is one weird dialect. It's certainly not standard Spanish, although I was able, I think, to get the gist.
One dead, one critical after 20 hours in cave - Spain
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Catalan is not a dialect, it's a full-fledged language of its own.
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Yep, the port in one of the provinces of Catalonia, "an autonomous community of Spain, designated a "nationality" by its Statute of Autonomy." Google translate identifies that article as Catalan and translates it as much as able.
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"El que va conduir a la mort del submarinista va ser que ni ell ni el seu company rescatat en vida van saber retornar després d'endinsar-se a través d'un pas estret que hi ha al final. La Guàrdia Civil ho va atribuir a un "excés de confiança" però sobretot a la falta de formació i coneixement de tècniques d'espeleologia, no duien el material adequat i no van traçar una corda de seguretat que els permetés tornar sense problemes, amb o sense condicions adverses."
This means in a nutshell that the divers exceeded the limits of their certification and ability.
The cause of dead was that neither the dead diver nor his buddy which has been rescued had the ability to return from a restriction which they had penetrated. The Guardia Civil believes it was a case of "overconfidence" and even more so lack of specific training in cave diving techniques. Furthermore, they had no appropriate equipment and failed to place a guideline (i.e. a cave line) to ensure that they would be able to exit the cave irrespective of conditions (favourable or adverse).
Lesson: Don't go in any overhead environment armed just with your "Open Water" C-Card like these people did!
This means in a nutshell that the divers exceeded the limits of their certification and ability.
The cause of dead was that neither the dead diver nor his buddy which has been rescued had the ability to return from a restriction which they had penetrated. The Guardia Civil believes it was a case of "overconfidence" and even more so lack of specific training in cave diving techniques. Furthermore, they had no appropriate equipment and failed to place a guideline (i.e. a cave line) to ensure that they would be able to exit the cave irrespective of conditions (favourable or adverse).
Lesson: Don't go in any overhead environment armed just with your "Open Water" C-Card like these people did!
Definitely Catalan. If it's the same incident that I saw on facebook over the weekend it was a reasonably new shop in the region that has been doing a fair amount of aggressive exploration on that coast. I won't post any names for now, but if it is who I think it is, it does sound like a bunch of wreck divers found a cave and got in a bit over their heads.
Why a "bunch of wreck divers"? Do you have information that points that way?
And they didn't find a cave. It was a well known cave, where they take tourists to dive the first 40m. But they went through a restriction at the end.
And they didn't find a cave. It was a well known cave, where they take tourists to dive the first 40m. But they went through a restriction at the end.
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1. We know from the Catalan article that the divers were not cave trained and this comes from the Guardia Civil.
2. They should not have entered even the first meter of the cave with an "Open Water" C-Card - they dived outside the limit of their certification.
3. If indeed the Dive Operator knowingly and routinely takes divers there to CAVE DIVE (i.e. enter the cave entrance, that is where the rock begins and open water ends) - then there is an issue of liability for the Dive Operator.
These incidents happen again and again in many parts of the world and there is a common denominator - lack of cave training and diving beyond certification and ability.
For money, dive operators take "Open Water" divers to cave dive. Sometimes accompanied/guided dive, sometimes not... and it is just a sad case of the industry not wanting to learn any lessons from these many repeat incidents.
Insurance companies and Training Agencies know very well about such practices, and they allow them...
Somebody mentioned a Facebook page with some more information specific to this incident... link?
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Here there is a video that describes the dive and the cave.
La Guàrdia Civil mostra com es va fer rescat cova Arquets - Televisió de Catalunya
La Guàrdia Civil mostra com es va fer rescat cova Arquets - Televisió de Catalunya
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I have extracted this text written by a third part from Spanish forum.
It has been translate by google translator, so if anything is incomprehensible, please forgive me.
I am going to tell you what happened in the crash dive of the 19/20 July 2014.
This text is not to justify or blame anyone, circumstances that occurred want to serve if possible for safety standards in both the dive and rescue divers are changed.
I assume that my involvement friendship with people who were involved in the accident is high but I think as I know first hand and I was not involved at the time of the accident, I have compiled this information by first hand.
On Saturday 19 three very experienced divers creep and I stress this fact because they really are, have hundreds of dives at the snorkeling area and many of them in caves.
True, as knowledgeable about the area and have done many times these caves some security aspects are neglected.
After one hour dive and back to the boat in which one other person suffers a strained leg and warns other partner to be the boat was, the other two continue and approach a cavity one known with the idea of ​​entering the room and see a bladder located on that site.
Entering rather than the two clear-of mud part parallel one gets the other and remove all background, which becomes trapped in a cloud of sediment that prevents him from seeing his partner to realize the situation and being within walking distance approaches to catch him and the two together once they start swimming seeking the cave wall, they leave the cloud realize they are inside the cavity and see no output be absolutely full of suspended sediment.
As a cavity having bladder and have gas to spare to decide the output up to the camera, no more than 4m deep.
In the chamber to adopt solutions being the first wait for the sediment from being exchanged.
Spend time but due to the current lack of sediment is not deposited, then hope that the comrades who are in the boat, especially not dive, will remember the existence of the air and come with a line life to facilitate the exit.
Time passes and what does not improve, teams are removed and incorporated on the stones of the camera, it takes hours and one of them takes a few tries to get out through the sediment, but the other is very excited and in a state of nerves that can go into crisis, asks him not to leave him alone, all that choose to stay and wait for help to come.
All this as are half out of water, they maintain illumination in water so that someone can poke more easily locate them.
Time passes, the hours pass and no rescue.
These events start at 10 am on Saturday, stay awake during all time and 8 am Sunday while the two conscious one tries to close the costume to try out as I can, but the lack of breathable air in the chamber and hypothermia without strength to let you shut the suit from there does not remember anything, just the general feeling of numbness and loss of consciousness.
The following memories begin with the cheers of two young GEAS entering the camera and you are alive, your partner is not.
After several hours of recovery begins to react and just seeing regulator in your mouth and being carried by two divers to the outside.
These are the facts as the survivor recalls accident.
The part of the rescue as you know the story below.
On the boat waiting time passes and not explained how it can take so long to come out, it is true that the two divers are in the water are very skilled and gas consumption is very low but past hour and a half is not normal do not leave.
The person who knows the cave well knew that in time there was an air chamber, but believed he was flooded and it was gone.
When time passes, moving the port to catch a team and be searched without further notice.
After descending to the cave this friend and expert guide wire 1,000 meters and not find Geas give notice that at 16 o'clock start your search with the local computer, not allowing access to civilian personnel.
After reviews of the cave with lifelines 400 mts and because they do not know the existence of the air give the assumption that they are trying to look for are two deceased.
At 18 hours they ended the search and give notice to more caves Geas moving specialists from different parts of the peninsula, it seems that from Cartagena and Valladolid.
Operating on Sunday begins at 8 am, but until 11 the first dive is made, many couples dives with guide ropes and continuous relay are performed until the news of the discovery of one who is unconscious comes and one died.
It has spent tens of bottles that forest have been providing continuous in successive trips to port.
According version of rescuers to find hot diver but in very precarious conditions are applicable to supply oxygen in the bubble, trying to make breathable air there stayed, all kinds of material is carried, a floating stretcher in which the diver is deposited for comfort, as this semi-conscious and with clear signs of hypothermia.
Turn a doctor for stabilization and after a while, difficult to assess because there is no access to crowded diver is able to log the output in terms of fitness, but mentally said to not come out and actually spits the regulator.
Clearly the result of this attitude that their logic functions are unable to ask their friend, the diver who stayed on the boat to go and after seeing him and decides to go talk to him breathing through the regulator and the mask.
To say that the place has happened this unfortunate accident is just 40 meters from the entrance of the cave with a depth of 4-6m and rescue teams were going under them in each and every one of the dives .
The diver died did not die by drowning but by suffocation, RIP.
What can be inferred from what happened.
No dive safely, they were experts.
Do not enter cave / wreck without preparation and proper equipment, and always implement even repetitive, but opt for dives homeless.
In this particular case it is to think that the first option to try out but one of them went into the most desirable would panic, I think most experts I can study that should have been done by divers in time waiting and medical training on the concentration and symptoms of breathing air with CO2 and low oxygen concentration.
As rescue teams, it is clear that the first thing is that you should not assume that a missing in a cave on the surface or close to it must necessarily be deceased, also remember a sinking of a ship in which he met a sailor in a chamber in a cabin.
Just congratulate the pro GEAS its magnificent intervention and rescue of a survivor and repeat that all this would not have happened if the divers had not exceeded the proper limits of the equipment they carried.
Madrid, July 28, 2014
FORO DE BUCEO DEPORTIVO ? Ver Tema - Acidente de buceo en Startit 19 julio de 2014[h=1][/h]
It has been translate by google translator, so if anything is incomprehensible, please forgive me.
I am going to tell you what happened in the crash dive of the 19/20 July 2014.
This text is not to justify or blame anyone, circumstances that occurred want to serve if possible for safety standards in both the dive and rescue divers are changed.
I assume that my involvement friendship with people who were involved in the accident is high but I think as I know first hand and I was not involved at the time of the accident, I have compiled this information by first hand.
On Saturday 19 three very experienced divers creep and I stress this fact because they really are, have hundreds of dives at the snorkeling area and many of them in caves.
True, as knowledgeable about the area and have done many times these caves some security aspects are neglected.
After one hour dive and back to the boat in which one other person suffers a strained leg and warns other partner to be the boat was, the other two continue and approach a cavity one known with the idea of ​​entering the room and see a bladder located on that site.
Entering rather than the two clear-of mud part parallel one gets the other and remove all background, which becomes trapped in a cloud of sediment that prevents him from seeing his partner to realize the situation and being within walking distance approaches to catch him and the two together once they start swimming seeking the cave wall, they leave the cloud realize they are inside the cavity and see no output be absolutely full of suspended sediment.
As a cavity having bladder and have gas to spare to decide the output up to the camera, no more than 4m deep.
In the chamber to adopt solutions being the first wait for the sediment from being exchanged.
Spend time but due to the current lack of sediment is not deposited, then hope that the comrades who are in the boat, especially not dive, will remember the existence of the air and come with a line life to facilitate the exit.
Time passes and what does not improve, teams are removed and incorporated on the stones of the camera, it takes hours and one of them takes a few tries to get out through the sediment, but the other is very excited and in a state of nerves that can go into crisis, asks him not to leave him alone, all that choose to stay and wait for help to come.
All this as are half out of water, they maintain illumination in water so that someone can poke more easily locate them.
Time passes, the hours pass and no rescue.
These events start at 10 am on Saturday, stay awake during all time and 8 am Sunday while the two conscious one tries to close the costume to try out as I can, but the lack of breathable air in the chamber and hypothermia without strength to let you shut the suit from there does not remember anything, just the general feeling of numbness and loss of consciousness.
The following memories begin with the cheers of two young GEAS entering the camera and you are alive, your partner is not.
After several hours of recovery begins to react and just seeing regulator in your mouth and being carried by two divers to the outside.
These are the facts as the survivor recalls accident.
The part of the rescue as you know the story below.
On the boat waiting time passes and not explained how it can take so long to come out, it is true that the two divers are in the water are very skilled and gas consumption is very low but past hour and a half is not normal do not leave.
The person who knows the cave well knew that in time there was an air chamber, but believed he was flooded and it was gone.
When time passes, moving the port to catch a team and be searched without further notice.
After descending to the cave this friend and expert guide wire 1,000 meters and not find Geas give notice that at 16 o'clock start your search with the local computer, not allowing access to civilian personnel.
After reviews of the cave with lifelines 400 mts and because they do not know the existence of the air give the assumption that they are trying to look for are two deceased.
At 18 hours they ended the search and give notice to more caves Geas moving specialists from different parts of the peninsula, it seems that from Cartagena and Valladolid.
Operating on Sunday begins at 8 am, but until 11 the first dive is made, many couples dives with guide ropes and continuous relay are performed until the news of the discovery of one who is unconscious comes and one died.
It has spent tens of bottles that forest have been providing continuous in successive trips to port.
According version of rescuers to find hot diver but in very precarious conditions are applicable to supply oxygen in the bubble, trying to make breathable air there stayed, all kinds of material is carried, a floating stretcher in which the diver is deposited for comfort, as this semi-conscious and with clear signs of hypothermia.
Turn a doctor for stabilization and after a while, difficult to assess because there is no access to crowded diver is able to log the output in terms of fitness, but mentally said to not come out and actually spits the regulator.
Clearly the result of this attitude that their logic functions are unable to ask their friend, the diver who stayed on the boat to go and after seeing him and decides to go talk to him breathing through the regulator and the mask.
To say that the place has happened this unfortunate accident is just 40 meters from the entrance of the cave with a depth of 4-6m and rescue teams were going under them in each and every one of the dives .
The diver died did not die by drowning but by suffocation, RIP.
What can be inferred from what happened.
No dive safely, they were experts.
Do not enter cave / wreck without preparation and proper equipment, and always implement even repetitive, but opt for dives homeless.
In this particular case it is to think that the first option to try out but one of them went into the most desirable would panic, I think most experts I can study that should have been done by divers in time waiting and medical training on the concentration and symptoms of breathing air with CO2 and low oxygen concentration.
As rescue teams, it is clear that the first thing is that you should not assume that a missing in a cave on the surface or close to it must necessarily be deceased, also remember a sinking of a ship in which he met a sailor in a chamber in a cabin.
Just congratulate the pro GEAS its magnificent intervention and rescue of a survivor and repeat that all this would not have happened if the divers had not exceeded the proper limits of the equipment they carried.
Madrid, July 28, 2014
FORO DE BUCEO DEPORTIVO ? Ver Tema - Acidente de buceo en Startit 19 julio de 2014[h=1][/h]
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