Failed OW for Breathing Too Much; How can I fix it?

[meesier42]

did you miss type? 51 feet for 15 feet??

 

[Randy43068]

It would be good to hear the instructor side of the story. Perhaps there is more going on here than meets the internet... er, I mean eye.

 

[WeekendDiver]

Where are you located??

 

[SparticleBrane]

Maybe uh....stop kicking so much? Calm down a bit? It would be great to see a video of you in the water -- they tell all and you can't hide from the camera.

 

[Matt S.]

nowadays, I either go with friends who are DIR or is an experiences diver with 300 to 400 dives because I want to stay longer.

If I had such high standards for buddies, I wouldn't get to dive at all. Do you make them fill out an application? Holy cow.

 

[RoyN]

If I had such high standards for buddies, I wouldn't get to dive at all. Do you make them fill out an application? Holy cow.

I'll dive with anybody if they're gonna be safe and responible divers. Maybe I wasn't that safe and was very cocky several months ago, but with added experiences, I've calm down and realize these rules are for my safety and they'll work if I put them to practices.

But like I said in that post, the last time I dove with a beginner who had 10 dives from a boat, he didn't even monitor his air until had about 500 psi left and was at 100ft at this dive site.

RoyN

 

[neil]

Mine says the only reason certification can be witheld after the student exhibits mastery of the skills set forth in the standards is for non payment.
From page 18 of the General Standards and Procedures section of the PADI Instructor mannual:

Interestingly, that section only covers withholding certs for monetary concerns, and the risk management section says nothing.
Here's a scenario: you're about to give a student a card and he says, "great, I'm going to smoke crack and shoot down to 130 feet now". Suppose he's been saying that earlier in the class. Do you: A-issue the card because he can do U/W skills or B-withhold certification because you feel he has an unsafe attitude towards diving and will most likely kill himself once your back is turned?
NAUI would most likely back my decision to send this joker packing. PADI, I don't know. It would be interesting to call them and ask.

 

[neil]

NAUI is different in this respect. I don't have my standards in front of me but something in there basically says if you wouldn't feel comfortable letting them dive with your loved ones don't certify them. You ARE expected to give them a chance to become "ready" to dive.
(Anybody got a standards manual handy?)
Ber :lilbunny:

That's pretty much what it says. The instructor is required to present the student something in writing giving specific reasons for not qualifying for certification.

 

[Scubakevdm]

Interestingly, that section only covers withholding certs for monetary concerns, and the risk management section says nothing.
Here's a scenario: you're about to give a student a card and he says, "great, I'm going to smoke crack and shoot down to 130 feet now". Suppose he's been saying that earlier in the class. Do you: A-issue the card because he can do U/W skills or B-withhold certification because you feel he has an unsafe attitude towards diving and will most likely kill himself once your back is turned?
NAUI would most likely back my decision to send this joker packing. PADI, I don't know. It would be interesting to call them and ask.

Though it seems to me that denying a student certification for high gas consumption is a little bit different in principal than denying certification for crack diving, I'll offer my take on it for the sake of the discussion.
Assuming that the diver met all the prerequisites, including signing the statement of understanding of safe diving practices that discusses drug use and diving, I would call PADI and explain the situation to them prior to transmitting the pic. I can only guess what the outcome would be, but I suspect that just as if a medical condition changes after the medical waiver is signed, that a new statement of understanding would be filled out along with documentation of the events including specific documentation regarding the crack diving intentions of the student. I suspect that there would be a terrifying warning about the dangers of diving on drugs, and then a written promise that they will never ever dive on crack. This is just a guess, but I don't expect NAUI would be that different.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Assuming that the diver met all the prerequisites, including singing the statement of understanding of safe diving practices that discusses drug use and diving, I would call PADI and explain the situation to them prior to transmitting the pic.

Hmmm ... that's an unusual requirement ... do they get musical accompaniment, or do you make them sing a capella ???



... Bob (Grateful Diver)