Entanglement Experiences: Especially Both Hands/Arms.

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I was wondering why divers were so positively buoyant w/out their BCD's... until I realized they must have been diving weight integrated BCD's. Personally I won't use one if it has ALL my weight in it. I wear a belt (never lost it over five decades), but am considering transferring a portion of my weight from it to pouches.

Fishing line is the only frequently encountered issue here in our waters. Thankfully the vis is almost always good enough to see it (except on night dives... and lobster season is approaching).
 
Yes Dr.Bill, you don't need all the weight on a belt, you can share it around in trim or other pouches on the rig but some weight MUST be on a belt. I am not going to get into this "balanced rigging" or any of that. You don't have to be balanced, you do need to be controllable--safely controllable--easily controllable--whatever word you want to put on it. If your solo, already stressed from entanglement why stress yourself further struggling to maintain position while doffed of your gear. Frankly, removing your gear is a rare event but a potentially dangerous one if your bouyant and your rig is negative. You know that of course as do most everyone on here. A fully weight integrated BC is not acceptable for solo divers.

N
 
Doc Intrepid, not to pick on your complicated and bulky DIR rig but with those valves sticking out like wings it would appear that such an unstreamlined rig would be especially tangle prone in those gill nets. Yep.
No arguments from me, actually. Although having seen how the gill net so thoroughly enmeshed a guy wearing a standard SP BC w/Air II, aluminum 80, Mares reg, weightbelt, and the basic sport rec rig, and so quickly, I'm not convinced that ANY rig is significantly less likely to be entangled in a gill net - even one of your classic Mike Nelson double hose rigs.

I certainly don't disagree with you or Thal with respect to doff and don. I've taken my steel doubles off and tried to put them back on on practice dives at 20'. With me in a drysuit and no weight, and all the weight in the rig, it was.....entertaining. I'm willing to concede that doffing and donning is much easier in a standard BC and single aluminum 80, especially if the diver is wearing a weightbelt, than with a set of heavy steels when the diver is NOT wearing a weightbelt. (The CO2 build-up alone would be a problem if trying to doff/don steels at, say, 200' - although, per my philosophy, the last thing I want to do with a set of steels at 200' is remove them. There are better ways to resolve issues under those circumstances, IMHO, among which is not getting in that situation to begin with.)

Fortunately, I own a number of different rigs. I think if I were doing extensive solo diving, I'd come up with a weight belt and the capacity to doff and don my rig expeditiously. (I just wouldn't count on being able to do so in the event I ran into a gill net. Those things are serious trouble no matter what you're wearing...)
 
You know, off subject, but there are certain barbaric customs to which the human race is predisposed that are long due for retirement--gill nets are one of them and I don't care what the Indians or Native Americans think about it--too freak'n bad. There are many though, not to pick on one group.

N
 
Whew, for a minute there, I was afraid this thread was going to devolve into yet another DIR vs. everyone else thread. PLEASE let's not go there! Besides
the doubles/valve configuration is a universal thing anyway.

I too live in the PNW and nets are my biggest fear. There is a net reporting system in place and some of the local dive boat skippers report them when divers spot them on the bottom. If you spot a net, report it to your proper local authorities. In WA. state there is a derilict fishing gear reporting system in place. Hopefully other states, like those lucky enough to have lobsters, have a similar system in place? I may be mistaken but I don't think gill nets are limited to Native American fishers.
I've been considering replacing my shears rivet (not stainless) with a stainless bolt or buying an all stainless version. Excellent reminder that one handed cutting and dealing with stretchy materials can (maybe) only be cut with shears.

I'm using weight belt with pouches to optimize flexibility in choosing how much
weight I can drop at a time.

Any tips for spotting monofiliment line? Light sweeps are the best I've come up with instinctively. In strong ambient light that's not always dependable, I'd suppose.

Great discussion. Let's keep it going.
 
... I'm using weight belt with pouches to optimize flexibility in choosing how much weight I can drop at a time. ...
The issue is not your dropping weight, no amount of weight dropped will get you out of a net. The issue is being able to ditch your entangled rig and and not having it trying to pull you apart twenty lbs up for you and 20 lbs down for your rig.
 
Thalassamania,
Yes, sorry if that sounded confusing.
I was not referring to dropping weight/entanglement -I was responding to dr.bill's earlier post concerning the choice of integrated weights in vests vs. use of a weight belt for ditch and don and what choice I'd made in that regard,as he'd mentioned that he was considering placing some in pouches.
I agree that a belt is a better idea for solo diving than integrated weights so that you can stay with your rig if you have to take it off. I'm using an XS Scuba belt with pouches.
I use a single XS pouch for a tank strap trim weight on a single
tank.
 
Thalassamania,
Yes, sorry if that sounded confusing. I was responding to dr.bill's earlier post concerning the choice of integrated weights in vests vs. use of a weight belt for ditch and don and what choice I'd made in that regard,as he'd mentioned that he was considering placing some in pouches.
I agree that a belt is a better idea for solo diving than integrated weights so that you can stay with your rig if you have to take it off. I'm using an XS Scuba belt with pouches.
Jim,

Good choice and comfy too. Gets weird with a bunch of different conversations going and everyone saving bandwith by not quoting.

T
 
Nemrod
How's it going? I was wondering how much weight you put in the belt and how you distribute it? Do you have any integrated? All my entanglement so far has not been from solo diving. Here you have to worry more about kelp than gill nets.
 
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