Leisure Pro warranty policy...

[medic001918]

Thanks for sharing your experiences Shane. As pointed out before, this is governed by state law, and what a paramedic or EMT can do in one state (CT) is not an indication of what they can or can't do in another (CA). The protocols you were taught and follow are based on your particular jurisdiction. Of course, you may still be right in CA, but I'm trying to look up the relevant sections now...

You'll have to obtain copies of the protocols for each given area. It's not generally a state mandated protocol. Each medical control hospital sets forth an acceptable protocol for their sponsored paramedics. For example: when I work for one of the services I work for, I'm allowed to perform certain interventions that I'm not allowed to perform when working for another service. It has to do with what our medical control physicians are willing to allow. The answers you'll find are going to be varied greatly.

For reference, here's a copy of our regional protocols: http://www.northcentralctems.org/documents/Final June 11 2007 NCCEMS Protocols.pdf

See page 160 for our termination protocol.

Please keep in mind that these protocols are guidelines and not absolutes. We are allowed to stray from them within reason and we can always contact a medical control physician for confirmation of our decisions.

Shane

 

[Thalassamania]

There are however many models that have batteries that the user can replace. It looks like the model in this thread was designed by Scuba Pro to be forever tied to the mfg.

That's the ScubaPro way. Actually you can do it yourself for less than $30.00.

 

[Gombessa]

Please keep in mind that these protocols are guidelines and not absolutes. We are allowed to stray from them within reason and we can always contact a medical control physician for confirmation of our decisions.

Shane

Shane,

That sounds perfectly reasonable. My point is that your protocols must be based on local laws. For instance, if it were illegal in CT for a paramedic to cease resuscitation in cases other than "obvious death" (such as decapitation), your guidelines would have to be much narrower on that point. However, if you could stop "on reasonable suspicion of death," different hospitals could have different protocols ranging from "when you think it's futile" to "no more than 30 minutes." The Monterey CA case referenced will depend on CA law, and whether the protocols were followed or were reasonable is another mucked up question I'm sure the legal teams hashed through.

 

[kgault]

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By the way, the original post was about a computer that was bad. I am not aware of any place that sells service kits to fix your own computer. There are however many models that have batteries that the user can replace. It looks like the model in this thread was designed by Scuba Pro to be forever tied to the mfg.

The Scuba Pro computer in question (Aladin Tec) is one of the first that they offered with a user changeable battery; part of the issue for this thread was that some of these computers went through batteries rather rapidly.

Keith

 

[scubadale]

I am really confused. Do we like LP or not? If LP is in need or resuscitation can the paramedic perform that function or not?

 

[Gombessa]

I am really confused. Do we like LP or not? If LP is in need or resuscitation can the paramedic perform that function or not?

What's LP? Get your wits about you and stay on topic!!

 

[redacted]

I am really confused. Do we like LP or not? If LP is in need or resuscitation can the paramedic perform that function or not?

What we have here is a dive shop operator who is also a Scubapro dealer and probably could help board members understand what is going on here by telling us what Scubapro USA is doing with these "defective" computers. But he would rather do whatever he can to put down Leisurepro. Sort of reminds me of a tick on an elephants back side.

 

[markrovner]

Depends on the state, some allow paramedics to pronounce, some don't

Which states allow the paramedica to shoot up heroin on the job?

 

[Web Monkey]

What we have here is a dive shop operator who is also a Scubapro dealer and probably could help board members understand what is going on here by telling us what Scubapro USA is doing with these "defective" computers.

I can tell you exactly what happens. You bring your malfunctioning computer back to your friendly SP dealer, who sends it back to SP, and if he's nice, give you a computer that you can borrow for a while while it's out.

After a few weeks, SP sends it back fixed, tested and recalibrated, or sends a new one. The dealer calls, and you go pick up your computer and give back the loaner.

No drama, no need to post on the internet to hold anybody's feet to the fire. It was broken, now it's not, and everything was free.

Terry

 

[Thalassamania]

My point is litigation, not reason. I don't have the stamina to research specific lawsuits regarding self service of equipment. I'm not sure there are any but, I'm sure if the thought enters someone's family they may be wealthy, they will try.quote]TO the best of my knowledge there has never been a case brought that concerned the sale of non-defective scuba repair parts to a private individual.