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80% of my diving will be done in Michigan and I wanted to know if anyone can give me more insite into pros/cons of these suits (wetsuit, semi-dry, dry).

I was leaning toward Scubapro's Novascotia 6.5 semi-dry.

Thanks for the input!
 
I have a 3.2mm, 6.5mm two peice and a couple drysuits, the 3.2 is really only good in a pool or above the thermocline. The 6.5 works good but I like the drysuits the best, it's nice to be dry between dives on the surface and it makes the second, third or fourth dives much nicer not having to put on a wet cold wetsuit.
 
Wet-suit, traps a thin layer of water (which wicks away heat over 20 times quicker than air). You body then heats this layer of water to keep you warm. If the suit is working right and does not have any holes in it, there should be very limited exchange of water during the dive. Disadvantage: Not as warm as a dry-suit. As you go deeper the neoprene insulation layer will compress providing progressively less insulation the deeper you go as the water coincidentally gets colder. You have to buy the thickness of wet-suit suitable for the water you will be diving. This means a 7-9mm for cold water (or thicker) and a 3 mm or rash-guard for that Caribbean vacation). With increased neoprene thickness comes additional buoyancy at the surface and the corresponding increase in lead weights, and of course more air in the BC at depth with the loss of that same buoyancy. Hard to pull on. Advantage: more streamlined than a dry suit and a lot cheaper (you can buy 2 to 7 wet-suits for the price of one dry-suit. Neoprene is durable and comes in a variety of thickness. Wet-suit designs such as farmer john increase warmth by adding layers on the trunk. When the need arises relief is just an Ahhhh away.

Semi-Dry Never dove one of these. Semi-Dry are wet-suits with seals in the wrist and ankles to further limit the amount of water entering the suit. In a perfect fit, your trunk may stay dry (doubtful). Disadvantage: Same as wet-suit plus now "relief" may become a problem as there will be less water to...well flush the suit out. Advantage: same as wet-suit, only maybe a little bit warmer.

Dry-suit With a dry-suit, you are in a bag with only your hands and head sticking out. Seals at the neck and wrist keep water out. Since air conducts heat away from your body much less efficiently than water you stay warmer. You could even wear your work clothes under your dry-suit and do a quickly dive on the way to the office. James Bond wears this on his way to the formal dinner. Disadvantage: cost $700-$4,000 or more with most $2,000-$3000. Dry-suits tend to be more bulky and therefore less streamlined. They usually require a few pounds more weight. You also have to buy undergarments (the loft and weight of the undergarments varies with the water temperature expected) at a cost of $300-$500. Extremely hot on the surface while hiking to the beach from the car. Due to the increased bulk, and the air consumption of the suit, you will use a bit more air. You have to learn how to use a dry-suit and it takes a few dives to master it and that shifting air bubble. The dry-suit boots often require a larger fin pocket so you may have to replace existing fins (a friend wears tennis shoes). Since you are staying dry, you must either wait until you are on shore or boat for relief or install a P-Valve (trust me, they are the way to go). Advantage: One suit for any water temperature, just change the undergarment. Keeps you much warmer than a wet-suit. You can wear dry-gloves exposing only your neck, head (wear a neoprene hood for your neck and head) and face to the water. As you go deeper, you add air to the dry-suit to maintain loft, so there is little to no loss of insulation with depth. Reduced exposure to what ever nasties are in the water. Comes in a variety of materials from durable neoprene (heavy and slow drying) to tri-laminate (light and quick drying). Between dives you peel it off your shoulders if you are hot, the suspenders will hold it up, and relax. Dry-suits make that 2nd and 3d or 4th dive more comfortable. On a dive in WA in 17F weather with a windchill bringing the temp to zero (sound familiar?), we left the hotel wearing our thick undergarment (think child's footie pajamas) So nice before the dive not to have to expose any skin to suit up.

I dive Southern California's 50-60 degree waters. Dove a 7mm wet-suit for years. I now dive dry and I am soooooo much warmer.

Recommendation: Given that your water temperatures will be I expect in the mid 40-s to mid 50s at diving depth, I would say go dry-suit to be truly happy and warm, poorer, but warmer. If you go wet-suit or semi-dry I would suggest thick semi-dry wet-suit (7-9mm) of at least 7mm and most probably 9mm of the farmer john variety.
 
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It’s just about the money vs. your comfort/tolerance for cold. No doubt a drysuit is the best choice but it also the most expensive. Another plus is that a properly maintained drysuit will outlast many wetsuits.

I just returned from diving in Sand Diego where the bottom temps were in the mid 50’s. I was the only drysuit diver on board and the only diver not cold below or on the surface.

Bottom line is you know where you dive and the water/surface conditions. Is being warm worth the expense of a dry suit? In my opinion, yes.

BTW, You can get a new Whites Fusion Drysuit and the proper undergarments for a very reasonable price. Just contact Mike at Dive Right in Scuba here on the board. He will set you up just fine.
 
Ditto for the drysuit here also. Pasley pretty well said it all. While they are indeed initially more expensive than a wetsuit or semi dry suit, they also last a lot longer with proper care. I have an OSSystems suit that is going on 10 years old. Except for a few seal changes, it's in great condition and I expect it to last for quite a few more years. With it, I can dive any time, any place, year round, including Ice Diving. Per dive cost over the lifetime of the suit, they are actually cheaper than a wetsuit in most instances.
Safe Diving,
George
 
By the time you buy a two piece suit, boots, gloves, and a hood or hooded vest, you could buy a low to mid range drysuit. I would spend the extra and get the drysuit. You will be, by far, much more comfortable in the water.
 
I have the Scubapro 6.5 semi-dry and also live in Michigan. But before you listen to anything I have to say, I just finished my Naui Advanced Class this weekend, so I have a whopping total of 12 dives under my belt. I decided on this suit for two reasons, obviously at some point a dry suit would be best, but after dropping all kinds of $'s on my equipment I couldn't justify spending more on a dry (especially when at that point I only had my open waters under my belt). The second, it seemed to me better constructed then the 7mm wet suits. I could be completely wrong, but it seemed like a good choice because it will last a long time and will be a nice compliment to a dry suit down the road.

So far, I'm very happy with it. The only real negatives I have are not being able to relieve myself while in it and for whatever reason I hate needing my buddy to zip or unzip it for me. Both are minor and I imagine I *could* do both if I had to. The deep dive took us down to 77 ft at 46 degrees for 15 minutes and the only cold I felt was my hands and feet. It exceeded my expectations in that respect.

Dry is the way to go, like most people have said, but I have no issues with this suit and I'll be able to dive almost everything I want around here with it.
 
I would recommend the Bare Nex-Gen drysuit, as they can be purchased for about the same cost as an expensive semi-dry. I see them online for $550 - $600 all the time. I paid $600 for mine and have over 100 dives in it and still going strong. It isn't fancy but definitely gets the job done.
 
Wet-suit, traps a thin layer of water (which wicks away heat over 20 times quicker than air). You body then heats this layer of water to keep you warm.
Nope........Ding....try again.

I love how this misconception goes around and around.
 
Nope........Ding....try again.

I love how this misconception goes around and around.

Ok, let me try, I love having egg on my face anyway. :D

The wetsuit lets in a small amount of water which your body attemps to warm up. This thin layer of water wicks away body heat 20 -25 times faster than air. Once the water is heated to the maximum it can be heated to, the body must maintain the temperature of the water by continuing to expend energy. The layer of water does not insulate the body, the suit insulates the water, and does so through it's thickness (which is lost at depth) which separates it from the surrounding colder water and by keeping the exchange of warmed water and colder outside water to an absolute minimum. Thus your body is only warming the thin layer of water inside the suit instead of warming the entire ocean (lake, quarry, etc.) In other words, the way a wetsuit insulates is not by a thin layer of water - that layer causes your body to loose heat, it makes it that the water coming in contact with your body is minimizied and separated from the colder water so that your body can maintain temperature more easily. The thin layer of water doesn not insulate in any way - it actually does the opposite - causing your body to loose heat to keep it warm.

OK, I've got my protective equipment on, let the eggs begin! :football:

Safe Diving,
George
 
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