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Oh that's a good one.lurk-n-learn
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Ok so lets see here....the guy that has gone the farthest into the cave and was the one who laid the line that goes the deepest into the cave is out of the country. The line is broken back where he laid it.....no other person has been able to get back there...right? Is there not another person that thinks that this guy is capable of getting back there again to visualize that area that the other recovery divers did not get into? If he could get in there once then why is it so unconcievable that the victim couldnt have gotten all the way back there ran into trouble and perished? In the process he was pulling on the line to try and get back out and that is how it was broken...."That last little hole" I for one think that is the final piece to the sad puzzle.
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Crush
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My comment: who are you lurk-n-learn, and what is your agenda? You popped into existence a few days ago, agitate exclusively on this thread, and you don't respond to uncomfortable questions which are posed to you.
On second thought, don't respond - I don't care. You now have the distinction of being person #2 on my ignore list since you add nothing of value. Truth be told, you would have been #3, only I can't "ignore" Eduardo since he is a sponsor.
ucfdiver
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It's possible that he could get back, but also possible that he doesn't have interest in getting back after the first time. I really don't know who the individual is (I have a guess), but I guess we'll have to wait and see rather than speculate.Ok so lets see here....the guy that has gone the farthest into the cave and was the one who laid the line that goes the deepest into the cave is out of the country. The line is broken back where he laid it.....no other person has been able to get back there...right? Is there not another person that thinks that this guy is capable of getting back there again to visualize that area that the other recovery divers did not get into? If he could get in there once then why is it so unconcievable that the victim couldnt have gotten all the way back there ran into trouble and perished? In the process he was pulling on the line to try and get back out and that is how it was broken...."That last little hole" I for one think that is the final piece to the sad puzzle.
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From the article I wrote, it seems that Marson simply said the line was broke, I didn't read much further into it than that. My assumption was that it broke during the recovery efforts. I think we're guessing a lot at this point, maybe time to sit back and wait.
lurk-n-learn
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Took that all wrong there. What I was doing was asking because I don't know
didn't say you didn't know because i have no idea who you are either!.... Nothing should have hit a nerve with anyone at all, why did you have a meltdown over a question?? Agenda? LOL if I had one I would have a plan.I have not been asked anything that I would be uncomfortable with answering, just did not feel that anything was asked that needed my answer. as far as who I am...why would that matter who I am? Yes I am new to POSTING on this board and I do not need to share my reasons why. And FYI, I am new to posting but you would have no idea how long I may have been around just reading and learning what I can.
There are no stupid questions except the ones you do not ask!
Well, I've been here 'bout as long as anyone. Of those still posting I think only Walter pre-dates me... Last cave related fatality at Vortex predates Scubaboard... 'twas over a decade ago. Pat Watson did the recovery, and the offending passage was then closed with a rebar grate. There are still three places (my opinion) on the open water side of the gate where a little curiosity could put an OW diver in deep trouble fast... and then there's always that blown o-ring over 300' from the open water that hasn't happened yet... But to say - or even imply - that Vortex claims more lives than other caves - especially on a per-diver-entering-the-cave basis just simply isn't so. The fact that it isn't, considering how many OW divers penetrate the 300 odd feet to the piano room every day, sorta grates on our sensibilities as cave divers, but facts are facts, and on a per-OW-diver-in-the-cave basis Vortex is likely the safest cave on earth.
Still, there is no doubt in my mind that OW divers should be discouraged - strongly - from going into the cave at Vortex. That's why I have my OW students commit "I have been briefed, and I will not go into the cave or any other overhead environment." to writing, date & sign it.
There are other instructors, however, who lead students into the piano room. And there is where we need to concentrate our efforts. If I can catch one, I ask 'em "what are you going to do when one of your chicks blows an o-ring and another panics because of it??? Huh?"
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But this mishap? This one's squarely on the victim himself and no one else.
Rick
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Ok so lets see here....the guy that has gone the farthest into the cave and was the one who laid the line that goes the deepest into the cave is out of the country. The line is broken back where he laid it.....no other person has been able to get back there...right? Is there not another person that thinks that this guy is capable of getting back there again to visualize that area that the other recovery divers did not get into? If he could get in there once then why is it so unconcievable that the victim couldnt have gotten all the way back there ran into trouble and perished? In the process he was pulling on the line to try and get back out and that is how it was broken...."That last little hole" I for one think that is the final piece to the sad puzzle.
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I don't think it was said that the line was broken that far back.
It will be interesting to see if conditions have changed at Vortex since the time the last of that line was laid several years back and whether he is still capable of getting into it.
Based on the gas plan the victim published on his FB page to get to 800' of penetration, the conditions I've been told regarding the cave, and the skills I saw in the video, I'm doubtful he made it to the end of the line..
I dunno where he is, but at this point, I'll be surprised if he's found back there beyond the reach of those who have already searched.
ucfdiver
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He took a SM course, so maybe skills improved after that. Wish we knew the instructor so we could ask them (and also know if it was an instructor who has experience in SM or a PADI 2 day wonder), I think you could be onto something.
Ok so lets see here....the guy that has gone the farthest into the cave and was the one who laid the line that goes the deepest into the cave is out of the country. The line is broken back where he laid it.....no other person has been able to get back there...right? Is there not another person that thinks that this guy is capable of getting back there again to visualize that area that the other recovery divers did not get into? If he could get in there once then why is it so unconcievable that the victim couldnt have gotten all the way back there ran into trouble and perished? In the process he was pulling on the line to try and get back out and that is how it was broken...."That last little hole" I for one think that is the final piece to the sad puzzle.
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You have made some assumptions here that aren't correct.
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