BP/W checklist?

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Obviously new to BP/W setups, but after much reading here I have decided to just skip a jacket style for my first BC.

With that in mind, is there a resource that explains the different parts of a BP/W setup and has a checklist that will help folks like me in building their first rig?
 
Basic parts include:
Back plate (stainless or Alu)
Wing
Harness (some come w/ crotch strap)
2 cam bands to hold the tank on
some bolts to hold the wing to the plate when the tank isn't strapped down

depending on your harness you might still need to buy separate crotch strap

thats about it :)
 
Don't forget the 12 Pack of beer for after you are done adjusting your harness, You will need it. Really you are never done adjusting your harness....its a sickness....
 
Obviously new to BP/W setups, but after much reading here I have decided to just skip a jacket style for my first BC.

With that in mind, is there a resource that explains the different parts of a BP/W setup and has a checklist that will help folks like me in building their first rig?

Here is a link to a "how to" video at Scubatoys, showing how to rig the harness for a BP/W.

Browse Videos equipment: bpw Videos on ScubaDivingTube

It will give you a good idea of what is involved, and you can see the various bits and pieces (excluding the wing) that go into a typical "Hogarthian" harness.

Best wishes.
 
What about small things such as where to clip your SPG, Octo, Reg? Where to put weight pockets?

I'm thinking:

HOG #32 Wing
Dive Rite Aluminum Backplate
Dive Rite Deluxe Harness
2" crotch strap
2 Cam bands
4 sex bolts

What is the best way to weight yourself using a BP/W setup? I was thinking a pair of XS Scuba QR weight pouches attached to the harness with keepers. Any other suggestions? (no weight belt)
 
Would you be able to give us a bit more information?

Where do you plan to do most of your diving? What do you plan to be wearing in the way of exposure suit, and what type of tanks do you plan to dive? This would affect the wing size/plate type/weighting.

(As you can see by my dive count, I'm no expert; but I did just go through the selection process myself.)
 
What about small things such as where to clip your SPG, Octo, Reg? Where to put weight pockets?

I'm thinking:

HOG #32 Wing
Dive Rite Aluminum Backplate
Dive Rite Deluxe Harness
2" crotch strap
2 Cam bands
4 sex bolts

What is the best way to weight yourself using a BP/W setup? I was thinking a pair of XS Scuba QR weight pouches attached to the harness with keepers. Any other suggestions? (no weight belt)

What you have looks fine; here are some comments:

I use the HOG 32 lb wing, and think it is an amazing value for the price. I love mine, and highly recommend it.

I tried the Dive Rite Deluxe Harness.... I did not like it; I found a traditional single length of 2" webbing (traditional Hogarthian harness) to be more comfortable and more adjustable. You'll need 15' of 2" webbing (I did use the Dive Rite harness webbing, it is slightly softer than regular weightbelt webbing).

I made my own crotch strap out of the extra webbing (that is why you start with 15'; about 12' for the harnes, 3' for the crotch strap, which leaves extra for both).

Sex bolts are not really needed; I use a STA (single tank adapter); this bolts to the backplate, and "sandwiches" the wing between STA and backplate. The HOG wing can be used without a STA (it has the stabilizer ridges sewn into the center of the wing where the tank lays) but I feel the STA makes the tank absolutely stable... it is personal preference.

Your spg is typically cliped to your left hip D-ring. I dive "long hose", and have my backup 2nd stage on a short hose, attached by a bungie "necklace" under my chin. I donate the long hose (the regulator I'm breathing). If you have a traditional recreational rig, you can easily clip off your octo to your right shoulder D-ring... that is how my wife rigs hers.

For weights, I spilt my ballast weighting between the "fixed" weight of my steel backplate and heavy STA (about 11 lbs total), and "ditchable" weight on a regular weightbelt.

Keep asking questions here until you get a clear idea what you are looking for. When I get in to my office tomorrow, I'll post some more links with pictures of properly rigged backplates.

Best wishes.

EDIT: For anyone considering putting together a BP/W, I do recommend looking at Deep Sea Supply. Tobin makes great stuff, and is a frequent poster here... I did not know about DSS when I put my two rigs together:

https://www.deepseasupply.com/
 
What about small things such as where to clip your SPG, Octo, Reg? Where to put weight pockets?

I'm thinking:

HOG #32 Wing
Dive Rite Aluminum Backplate
Dive Rite Deluxe Harness
2" crotch strap
2 Cam bands
4 sex bolts

What is the best way to weight yourself using a BP/W setup? I was thinking a pair of XS Scuba QR weight pouches attached to the harness with keepers. Any other suggestions? (no weight belt)

I agree, it would be good to have more information about the diving conditions you expect to encounter the most, as that will drive your equipment choices. For example, will you be diving in a local environment with cold water with a single Al80 tank? If so, that will entail a thick wetsuit or possibly a drysuit, which would be an argument for a steel backplate: you can carry lots of ballast on your back and maybe even negate the need for additional weight. Conversely, if you plan on diving in warm water (3 mm wetsuit) with a steel tank, you may be overweighted with a steel backplate, and prefer an aluminum plate. These are just a couple of examples (admittedly, they're polar opposites) of how much your regular dive conditions will influence your equipment choices.

Your wing size will also be dictated by environment. If you're diving with a thin wetsuit and carry only minimal weight, then you can get away with a wing that's smaller than the 32 lb HOG you mentioned. On the other hand, if you're using a thicker wetsuit or a drysuit and plan to use a steel tank, you'd probably be better served with a 30 lb singles wing or slightly over. Wing manufacturers are usually really great about advising you on the optimum wing for your needs. Give them an idea of the equipment you plan to use, and they'll have a better idea on what to recommend.

I carry all my weight on my back plate and don't need additional ballast. It works well for me. If you to try and do the same and decide to buy a steel plate, you can find a plate that's weighted to meet your needs. Manufacturers like Deep Sea Supply offer 'inserts' that fit on their plates for extra weight. Other manufacturers like FredT can provide a heavy steel plate in one hit. If you go the aluminum route, you can carry additional weight via a pocket affixed to your cam-band, which will also serve as a trim weight. Wonderful for helping you dial in your trim. You can also simply thread weights through the waist-band of your harness, if you desire. Then there's the option of a DUI weight harness...you have multiple options from which to choose.

I clip my SPG to my left hip D-ring via a bolt-snap. I use a 5-foot long hose with my octo bungeed around my neck. If you favor a recreational primary regulator (the hose is about 30") and a 40" octo, you can easily affix an octo keeper on your right chest D-ring and shove the octo's mouthpiece in there for easy access. It looks tidy while still providing good access for a buddy.

You can thread a cutting tool on the waistband of your harness, or buy a pocket to thread through the waistband, and clip off various items in there. You can also affix thigh pockets to your exposure suit for 'storage'.

Expect to tweak your set-up for a while...it may take a dive or five to adjust your harness to fit exactly the way you want it. Once you do, though, you'll never need to touch it again. You'll also need a few dives to figure out what works best where (do I like my knife there? My light there?). It's all part of the fun, though.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
 
What about small things such as where to clip your SPG, Octo, Reg? Where to put weight pockets?

I'm thinking:

HOG #32 Wing
Dive Rite Aluminum Backplate
Dive Rite Deluxe Harness
2" crotch strap
2 Cam bands
4 sex bolts

What is the best way to weight yourself using a BP/W setup? I was thinking a pair of XS Scuba QR weight pouches attached to the harness with keepers. Any other suggestions? (no weight belt)

I think your proposed set up is good, except I would also forget the dive rite deluxe harness and go for the hogarthian-style simple webbing harness. IMO it's more comfortable, easier to doff/don, and cheaper.

About your questions, you can visit the GUE site and there should be some illustrations about single tank rigging with a BP/W; it's a tech site, so they have their own ideas about reg hoses, etc... but it's definitely worth looking at.

I would suggest:
1. SPG on a 24" hose, clipped to the left hip D-ring with a bolt snap. Very convenient and strreamlined.
2. Octo could be the typical rec diving 36" (more or less) hose routed under your right arm, clipped to a chest D ring. When I dive like this I clip it to the right chest d ring when I'm gearing up and switch it to the left when diving, that way it hangs right in the middle. I use a plastic/webbing/shock cord octo holder. A much better way (IMO) to set up the octo is with a short (22-24") hose routed above the right shoulder and secured with a bungie necklace right under your chin. Then you use a 5ft hose for your primary second stage, routed under the right shoulder, across the chest, behind your head and around. Try it, you'll like it.
3. How to weight yourself depends on a lot of things, but for an AL plate I use camband weights to get some weight up on my back, unless I'm using a steel tank and a thin wetsuit. I also use XS scuba camband pockets on the waist belt. So, you might consider getting 4 of those pockets. I'd forget the quick release weights unless you're diving in cold water and need a substantial amount of weight. Even with that, keeping weight in the camband pockets on your waist makes it easy to dump weights, just pull them out of the pockets. It's a little more effort than pulling a quick release, but not much.
4. You only need 2 sex bolts. If the HOG wing has built in stabilizers, you won't need a STA, and I would suggest the plastic sex bolts. If you're bolting on a STA you need either the metal sex bolts or just short bolts/wing nuts. The plastic ones hold the wing in place fine but are under no stress with no STA. The cambands are holding everything in place. With a STA, those bolts are holding everything together so you can't use the plastic ones.

Have fun!
 
Thank you guys so much for the very detailed and informative posts!

I will be warm water recreational diving for a few years. My exposure will be a 5mm wetsuit and I will be using an AL80 single for the foreseeable future.

I thought about just buying the Zeagle Express Tech, but after much reading here I believe I want to go the BP/W route.

I don't want to go too far off topic, but is it common practice to dive with non ditch able weight?
 

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