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Why do you think I'm asking for one person to explain every single scenario?

Because you said:


"I'm hoping to get a comprehesive list of things that I should do in the event that...

That seemed to indicate you were looking for a comprehensive list of things you should do in the event that...

Make this thread multiple pages..


If you want every single scenario described it will indeed be many pages.


The fact of the matter is that a basic OW class can't teach people everything in advance

That's probably why it's called a basic class. Learning "everything" takes time.



I get responses simply stating to "get better
instruction from your instructors."

You feel you were wronged because your basic open water instructor did not teach you every single aspect of diving during your class?
 
Because you said:




That seemed to indicate you were looking for a comprehensive list of things you should do in the event that...




If you want every single scenario described it will indeed be many pages.




That's probably why it's called a basic class. Learning "everything" takes time.





You feel you were wronged because your basic open water instructor did not teach you every single aspect of diving during your class?

Yes. A comprehensive list. Where do I state that I want it from one person?

And where do I state that I feel I was wronged?

And why are you seemingly against a comprehensive list of contingencies in the event that something goes wrong?
 
My personal feeling is that if a person decides to choose the short/cheap modular approach of the basic open water diver route, they need to know that it does not necessarily give them the training to survive very long by themselves in a swimming pool....a really good instructor can make massive changes to this outcome, but the idea of the basic course curriculum is terribly flawed. If the course was marketed as a learners permit, then you would not be so upset about the lack of knowledge imparted...it would have been obvious there was little knowledge.

Solution....a person either has to search around for a really good instructor....or, go with. Gue or bsac or some science group like Thal is involved with.

Regards,
DanV

danvolker, the only issue that I have with your post (above) is that it seems to suggest that students choose a short/cheap modular approach of the basic open water diver. In my mind I would share your scorn if we substituted the term "decides to choose" for "gives informed consent." Hell, I hear at dive shops regularly "sure, you can buy a $300 regulator, but it is a critical piece of your life support - why not buy this (superior) $800 regulator - is your life not worth it?" If only dive shops took a similar approach to quality scuba instruction.
 
You are greatly over-simplifying my request.

1. They never covered what to do should you have a runaway BCD inflator button.

2. If you free flow, they taught you how to sip air from it. That's it. They did NOT mention to do things like try dialing down the resistance, try to swish it around in the water, look at the purge button to check that it's not stuck, etc.

I'm specifically asking for other scenarios that are not covered in the class.

You're new, and diving will take pretty much all your attention just to be able to handle the stuff you were already taught. There are all sorts of skills that are possible to perform but are unnecessary at this point in your diving career. "Sipping air" is one of them. Screwing with your regulator adjustments underwater is another.

Yes, if you have an adjustment screw on your reg, you can try playing with it. However it's unlikely to stop anything significant and I wouldn't recommend spending a lot of time doing so.

Air is air. A free-flow is visually confusing but not dangerous and doesn't require any special actions on your part except getting your buddy's attention and surfacing normally with him.

It will not "force air down your throat" because the exhaust valve is balanced precisely at ambient pressure. It does not require "sipping", removal from your mouth or any other special procedures except the awareness that it will shortly be over and you'll probably be OOA.

If you remember and practice the skills and procedures that should have been covered in OW class, you'll be very safe.

There are really only a couple of types of "problems" that you're likely to have, and luckily there are only a couple of responses you need to remember.

1) In case of a runaway BC inflater, you can pop the quick disconnect off.

2) In all other cases of air delivery problems (no air, hard to breathe, too much air, whatever), the solution is the same: Get your buddy's attention, end the dive and surface, sharing air if necessary.

The same goes for any other physical, mental or unknown issues like anxiety, vertigo, any sort of unexpected sensations or responses or altered mental state: Get your buddy's attention, end the dive and surface, sharing air if necessary.

Once you're on the surface, do as you were trained: Stay with your buddy, establish positive buoyancy by inflating your BC with the inflater if it works, manually if it doesn't or by ditching weights if necessary.

You are (or should be) be doing dives that are well within the no-decompression limit and are not in any sort of overhead environment, and are at depths where surfacing with your buddy at any time is a safe activity.

While learning is great, at least for now, you'll be miles ahead of the game if you just practice the skills and procedures you've already been taught until you really have them nailed. They seem simple, but are actually easily applied to nearly any situation you're likely to encounter and work quite well.


flots.
 
Yes. A comprehensive list. Where do I state that I want it from one person?

And where do I state that I feel I was wronged?

And why are you seemingly against a comprehensive list of contingencies in the event that something goes wrong?

Dr Wu is one of the reasons why, having posted once, many SB newbs go to ground. Welcome to SB, fuzzybabybunny. Read and re-read your post before clicking "post reply" or Dr Wu (or someone like him) will roast you.

Ask him how he feels about pony bottles...

Edit: What many posters seem to forget is the notice at the top of the Basic Scuba Discussions forum:

Please note: This forum has special rules. This forum is intended to be a very friendly, "flame free zone" where divers of any skill level may ask questions about basic scuba topics without fear of being accosted. Please show respect and courtesy at all times. Remember that the inquirer is looking for answers that they can understand. This is a learning zone and consequently, any off-topic or overly harsh responses will be removed.
 
Because the "comprehensive list" you describe is entirely impossible to create.

Just think for a second how absurd what you are asking is.

Ok, I get it. You want to play small. You'd rather sit in the bleachers and complain rather than play out on the court and contribute.

I have a commitment to the safety of other divers and to their education.

Let me be clear.

I have a commitment to the safety of other divers and to their education.

You let the impossibility of the goal stop you from even participating. Not only that, you drag others down with you.

The spirit of this thread was to start as comprehensive of a list as possible of contingencies that could be taken in the event that things go wrong, big or small. If "stay calm, find your buddy, get to the surface in a manner as to not die or get bent, and then maintain positive buoyancy" was all that anyone needed to know we wouldn't have a single thread in Accidents and Incidents. But that is not the case. Incidents range from minor scares to death. I believe that it couldn't hurt to have this contingency list.
 
The spirit of this thread was to start as comprehensive of a list as possible of contingencies that could be taken in the event that things go wrong...

You are asking for hundreds of years of dive experience and education to be encapsulated in a beginner forum.

Sorry but that is not possible.

Most people instead choose to take courses, read all the information available, and continue to experience their own dives. That is a fairly common approach to learning.

The "hey everybody on an Internet board, tell me everything known in the entire history of diving" technique rarely works.
 
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