Two fatalities in Monterey

[Scott L]

That is like blaming the parents for letting their sons get certified in the first place.

What, by the way, is "proper supervision"? What do you consider constitutes "proper supervision of inexperienced young divers"? Is there a difference between "inexperienced young divers" and "inexperienced middle-aged divers" and the supervision they require?

Or does this just get back to the premise that divers are not receiving adequate training in the first instance?

And, now hat we are talking about proper training ... Who here practiced removing and clearing their mask on their last dive? How about at least once on their last 5 dives?

Yes, there is a difference between inexperienced young divers and inexperienced middle-aged divers. Life experiences and maturity the difference.

IMO, proper supervsion would mitigate an OOA situation...

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Must be an east coast-west coast thing.

Here on the west coast we aren't much into "supervision" of certified divers. You go out on a boat, the captain takes you to the dive site, gives you a site briefing ... then the crew opens the gate, you step off the boat, and they typically don't see you again until you're back on the surface for a pick-up. It doesn't matter your age ... if you have a certification, you're expected to be able to plan and execute your own dive. That INCLUDES knowing when to say "not today".

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[ScubaSteve]

Yes, there is a difference between inexperienced youn divers and inexperienced middle-aged divers.

Yeah.....the Young diver is less likely to troll Internet boards spewing bad advice and tales of just how awesome they are because of incompetent and ineffective conquests (not a reference to you BTW)

 

[Scott L]

Must be an east coast-west coast thing.

Here on the west coast we aren't much into "supervision" of certified divers. You go out on a boat, the captain takes you to the dive site, gives you a site briefing ... then the crew opens the gate, you step off the boat, and they typically don't see you again until you're back on the surface for a pick-up. It doesn't matter your age ... if you have a certification, you're expected to be able to plan and execute your own dive. That INCLUDES knowing when to say "not today".
... Bob (Grateful Diver)

At 16 years of age and less than say, 10 lake dives. How exactly would they arrive at such a conclusion?

 

[DandyDon]

I think they were 17 - one year below the age we send kids to war. Yeah, I like to see any new diver hire a private DM the first day of ocean diving, but they were 5 years older than I when I started trucking cattle alone. They were certainly old enough to pay attention in class, read an Spg, and head up when low. Why they didn't will remain a guess...

Must be an east coast-west coast thing.

Here on the west coast we aren't much into "supervision" of certified divers. You go out on a boat, the captain takes you to the dive site, gives you a site briefing ... then the crew opens the gate, you step off the boat, and they typically don't see you again until you're back on the surface for a pick-up. It doesn't matter your age ... if you have a certification, you're expected to be able to plan and execute your own dive. That INCLUDES knowing when to say "not today".

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

The same way I've dived off of boats to 130 ft in the Florida Keys, North Carolina, the St.Lawrence, the Biminis, etc. - DM on boat. Cozumel dive park rules require a DM guide and some others destinations like Roatan will typically put one in the water for a larger group, but it just varies - more common in mostly tourist areas.

 

[Peter_C]

At 16 years of age and less than say, 10 lake dives. How exactly would they arrive at such a conclusion?

You making numbers up again?

 

[Scott L]

You making numbers up again?

I was being generous with 10...

 

[dmoore19]

Was the water temperature cold enough to cause their regs to freeze up and freeflow? If the regs froze, would this be detectable after the amount of time the equipment was in the water? I don't know the answer, just trying to imagine what could be the root cause.

 

[Peter_C]

I was being generous with 10...

Do you have facts? If so state it as a fact. If not you are making numbers up.

Since you are also such an expert of our local diving, can you tell us how many dives you have in California?

 

[fisheater]

Was the water temperature cold enough to cause their regs to freeze up and freeflow? If the regs froze, would this be detectable after the amount of time the equipment was in the water? I don't know the answer, just trying to imagine what could be the root cause.

No. Never. No way.


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