To Nitrox or not to nitrox ,Why and how ?

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You're never really going to 'need' to use EAN; there are just times when it's advantageous

Don't stop there keep going when is it advantageous I'm sincerly interested. I thought I knew but after reading some of the posts I'm not so sure. I asked earlier but the answer got lost in trying to explain a recent dive I mentioned. I'm just interested in learning the real proven advandages, not explaining an isolated incident. Thanks.
 
Don't stop there keep going when is it advantageous I'm sincerly interested. I thought I knew but after reading some of the posts I'm not so sure. I asked earlier but the answer got lost in trying to explain a recent dive I mentioned. I'm just interested in learning the real proven advandages, not explaining an isolated incident. Thanks.

I think that your question was answered by Blackwood in post #72 with a table demonstrating the increase in NDL at various depths.

To summarize, when compared with air, nitrox lets you extend your bottom time if you are limited by NDL (and not by gas consumption), and lets you use shorter surface intervals. Alternatively, it can increase your margin of safety in terms of DCI if you use it, but make your dive plan as if you were diving air.

The downside is cost, training, a shallower depth limit (as compared to air), and some less common issues associated with oxygen toxicity that rarely show up in sport diving trips with only 2-3 dives a day.

Those are the proven advantages.
 
What he said although id add there is no statistically significant link that it reduces the chance of DCI when dived on an air profile when compared to air.
 
String: I disagree a little bit with your last post.......if two divers dive to 120fsw, one breathing air and the other breathing 30% Eanx, and both dive within the AIR NDL i would have to say that the Eanx diver is far less statisticly suseptable to DCS.......I know that DCS sometimes happens regardless of the "safety" of the dive profile, but barring an overexpansion injury of some type or a rediculously fast ascent, the EANX diver is diving a safer profile because his EAD is only 102 ft, therefore less nitrogen is being absorbed.
 
Humm. This doesn't make sense to me. The implication that diving EAN with Air time limits is not beneficial means that if the NDL for a specific depth is let's say 60 minutes but I limit my dive time to 40 minutes, this would not lower my chances of DCS??? Consequently, diving to the limit of the NDL is just as hazardous as diving to 50% of the NDL?? Diving conservatively in terms of lessening my dive time U/W isn't going to reduce my chances of DCS???

What am I missing here?
 
Humm. This doesn't make sense to me. The implication that diving EAN with Air time limits is not beneficial means that if the NDL for a specific depth is let's say 60 minutes but I limit my dive time to 40 minutes, this would not lower my chances of DCS??? Consequently, diving to the limit of the NDL is just as hazardous as diving to 50% of the NDL?? Diving conservatively in terms of lessening my dive time U/W isn't going to reduce my chances of DCS???

What am I missing here?

I think he is refering to the fact that "DCS" is a very broad term and that regardless of how close you are to your NDL, if you scream to the surface at 200fpm you are going to be bent.
 
I am not talking about the extreme and the stupid. I am talking about "conservative" diving and following the rules as much as possible including ascent rate and dive computer indications. The way it is put it implies what I am questioning in my post.
 
What he said although id add there is no statistically significant link that it reduces the chance of DCI when dived on an air profile when compared to air.

Interesting point, and one that is hard to argue. The hypothesis is that if you reduce the amount of nitrogen in your breathing gas for any given dive, you will have less bubble formation, and less DCI. From a purely physiological point of view, it is hard to see how that would not be true. However, that type of reasoning is different from demonstrating a statistically significant difference experimentally.

To do that, you would need to have a large dataset of air and nitrox dives with matched profiles, and then look for the incidence of undeserved hits. As undeserved hits are pretty rare, that would mean that your N (number of study dives) would have to be very large to allow any real difference to reach the level of statistical significance. Note that this doesn't mean that a difference doesn't exist, it's just that subtle differences may be harder to pick up in this fashion.

So for this reason, I think that most people who use nitrox use it to extend bottom time and don't just spring for the expense and dive air tables anyway for the theoretical added safety benefit. Unlike the commonly held but unproven assumption that nitrox makes you less tired, there is sound physiological theory behind the claim of reduced DCI when diving nitrox on air tables.

Finally, remember that all tables are really just very educated guesses based on lots of dive data and understanding of physiology, but not something that can be "proven" definitively (like calculating the tensile strength of a bar of steel in a lab). That is why undeserved hits still happen. All you are doing is stacking the odds in your favor.

Mike
 
Doc,

Just to make sure that I understand you point, you are saying that there is indeed benefit from using nitrox but diving air NDL limits. You are also saying that this benefit is based on "logic" and is not proven from experimental data but it is "thought" that one "should" be safer in terms of reducing the chances of DCS but no guarantees.
 

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