Could the scuba community have done something more to prevent Guy Garman's death?

[Jax]

You can't deter the determined.

Exactly.

 

[drrich2]

"If you see your distant relative or friend drinking himself to death, and you care, you might ask yourself whether you can talk the person out of it even though you bear no responsibility for their actions."

Ah, but the overwhelming majority of the diving community didn't know him personally or have him as a near relation.

So, if you hear of a stranger with severe alcoholism in physical decline, do you seek him out and intercede?

 

[JohnN]

[-]You can't deter the determined[/-].You can't fix stupid

Not nearly so polite, and more to the point

 

[kr2y5]

You are beating the horse of "someone could've, should've, ought to've" done something (...) Everyone is answering "no", but you just rephrase it.

I have responded to you, rephrasing my question, because you made what I perceived as an accusatory statement...

viewpoints like yours lead the uninformed to think someone could've, should've, ought to've done something.

...sadly, I feel this statement is also accusatory, and unfair. There's no need. I hope that we can remain mutually respectful and friendly. My question wasn't targeted at you specifically, and as mentioned earlier, I blame no-one for what happened.

Of course, maybe there's nothing that could have been done, and if so, then so be it... but, on the off chance that anything could have been done, after all, would it be productive at all to explore this question?

If you think the answer is "nothing could've been done", I accept that as your answer. There's no reason to get upset.

"Could the scuba community do more . . " assumes (a) the "community" could do more

What you wrote above amounts to saying: The question "Is X true?" assumes X is true. This is, of course, incorrect. If this were the case, nobody could ask any question. The fact that you react this way makes me think that you perceive the mere act of asking a question as an attempt at shifting the blame onto someone. As noted above, I'm not looking at it from the "blame" perspective. I don't think it's constructive.

 

[DogDiver]

In short. No


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[wetb4igetinthewater]

How many people intercede when a friend says "Hold my beer...."?

 

[kwinter]

I would like to be involved with this attempt in some way. I am looking to make a statement about assisted suicide.

That is what I said months ago when his attempt was first announced. Although my comment was sarcastic, I do believe the folks that were so proud to be a part of his attempt were doing nothing more than assisting his suicide. And you just can't stop people that are so determined.

 

[LeadTurn_SD]

Nothing the scuba community could have said or done would have deterred him. As already mentioned, only someone with a close personal relationship whose opinion he valued (above his own) may have persuaded him to stop and reconsider.

The people with the very best chance of stopping him were his family, and they were apparently "on board" with the record attempt.

Best wishes.

 

[RJP]

Not nearly so polite, and more to the point

Two different conditions... but often comorbid.

 

[dlofting]

"Could the scuba community do more . . " assumes (a) the "community" could do more, and also begs the question that "the community" could've, should've, ought to've don anything.

Unfortunately when you ask the question on a public forum, some people assume exactly what Jax suggested.....and we all need to remember that search engines like Google open this forum to a lot of people who have absolutely no clue at all about scuba diving, but have heard about Doc Deep.