Redundancy Required for Decompression Diving?

[boulderjohn]

Why would they be a waste of money and time, if they delivered tangible benefit?

That is my point. They do not perceive any benefit to further training because that further training would not be consistent with the way they dive.

That is also why so many veteran divers do not seem to know basic information taught in their courses. It has been so long since they used that information in the diving they do that they not only forget what they were taught, they forget they were even taught it.

 

[DevonDiver]

That is my point. They do not perceive any benefit to further training because that further training would not be consistent with the way they dive.

That is also why so many veteran divers do not seem to know basic information taught in their courses. It has been so long since they used that information in the diving they do that they not only forget what they were taught, they forget they were even taught it.

I think I'm getting your drift. It explains why some of the veteran divers I encounter are actually quite poorly skilled, sometimes dangerous and yet, have a high regard for themselves as divers.

A pattern whereby complacency and 'normalization-of-deviance' becomes a justification in, and of, itself to reject continued education.

 

[KeithG]

That's exactly what I said in the post. There's more than 1 way to train.

Self-teaching is prone to pitfalls though. Lack of assessment and timely correction. It'd be easy to believe your self-tuiton was effective, but how would you actually know?

"Faster than most training courses". . . another pessimistic depreciation of the value of effective training.

As I've said. . . I see a trend where people are cynical of diving training. . . conditioned by bad experiences from cheap instructors selling bargain-bucket junk.

Finding a truly capable and expert instructor is likely to remedy that cynicism.

Both systems have pitfalls. Neither one is the best method for everybody. But self learning is a very valuable tool for a large number of people. Formal training is the best method for another group of people.

Self assessment? I first understand "why" I was doing something. Then I understand "what" to do. Consider the case of the person who actually creates a training course. Who did their assessment?

I had an industry experience once were I was forced to take a training course before I could visit a client. The course pertained to a product I researched and created. I WAS the subject matter expert. Rigid corporate policy required that there is only a single one size fits all solution. I was forced to take the course.

Rigid thinking tends to limit discovery.

 

[lermontov]

I had an industry experience once were I was forced to take a training course before I could visit a client. The course pertained to a product I researched and created. I WAS the subject matter expert. Rigid corporate policy required that there is only a single one size fits all solution. I was forced to take the course.

Rigid thinking tends to limit discovery.

thats so funny if not so exasperating

 

[KenGordon]

Both systems have pitfalls. Neither one is the best method for everybody. But self learning is a very valuable tool for a large number of people. Formal training is the best method for another group of people.

Self assessment? I first understand "why" I was doing something. Then I understand "what" to do. Consider the case of the person who actually creates a training course. Who did their assessment?
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In a lot of endeavours failure is an option. Exploring and finding out the 'hard' way is not so hard. That is not the case in diving. Failure is not an option.

Another point is that you do not first understand why you do a thing. Do you know spontaneously why the right post of a twinset feeds the BC and the left the drysuit? There is a lot of detail in diving, so a lot of reason to take a whole system and use it. You do not need to understand each detail completely to benefit. The reasons for doing a think may only become apparent when something goes wrong. Since things going wrong is pretty rare those reasons can be hidden from most people in practice.

When creating new anything you get feedback from experts, target users, and a bunch of people. So when designing a course the author will not be assessed directly but the course will be through pilots, trials and feedback.

 

[stuartv]

Another point is that you do not first understand why you do a thing. Do you know spontaneously why the right post of a twinset feeds the BC and the left the drysuit?

He didn't say you have to intuitively divine everything to self-learn. You can read books, watch videos, talk to other practitioners, and even search the Internet.

 

[KenGordon]

He didn't say you have to intuitively divine everything to self-learn. You can read books, watch videos, talk to other practitioners, and even search the Internet.

And how do you tell the difference between complete bollocks and fact?

 

[stuartv]

And how do you tell the difference between complete bollocks and fact?

So far, it hasn't seemed that hard, for the stuff that matters.

 

[DevonDiver]

How do you know you're if you're actually competant or not?

Self-assessment is a nice tool for enabling divers to become legends in their own minds.

The internet is awash with divers basking in assumed competency.

 

[DevonDiver]

So far, it hasn't seemed that hard,

That doesn't ring any alarm bells?