Planned deco on a recreational dive?

[DevonDiver]

People should figure it for themselves. Following blindly is not what I call "figuring out".

You've suffered a DCS hit before?

 

[Fastmarc]

So I assume you add about 1 hour of deco time on top of your deco schedules? Who wouldn't want some safety?

People should figure it for themselves. Following blindly is not what I call "figuring out".

How do you do it? Figure it out for yourself that is. Guide us that we may be able to better figure it out than the likes of DAN.

 

[Patoux01]

Reductio ad absurdum argument. I expected better from you.

We virtually know nothing about what "dives" have been done for that report. Furthermore, a deco dive does not equal saturation on slow tissues, the ones that will cause issues "16 hours later"

From DAN's recommendation:

The current position is: wait AT LEAST 12 hours after a single No Decompression Dive and 24 hors after repetitive, multiple day or decompression diving.
DAN's recent results suggest that in the second case an interval of 17 hours will probably be safe, but the study is still going on and the official recommendation has not changed yet

(bold, underline, italic added by me)

So yeah, sorry, when people give others **** for stepping in a plane 1 hour "too early", I tend to consider that maybe they are somewhat excessive and will go into stupid arguments as well.


Edit: I'll also add that I'm pretty confident I am in a better shape than at least 90% of the divers, so I don't worry too much about sitting a bit more on the "danger side" than what is suggested by people that already add a large safety margin (aka DAN). There's also a reason I'm not too worried to skip 3 minutes of air deco, while I see so many people thinking it'll instantly get you to a long and painful death...

 

[uncfnp]

There you go always "trying to keep it real".

"Albert Einstein is broadly credited with exclaiming 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results'."

Sometimes I think this is the motto for SB.

 

[tursiops]

From DAN's recommendation:

(bold, underline, italic added by me)

Your quote is NOT from the published DAN recommendation.
See https://www.diversalertnetwork.org/files/FADWkshpBook_web.pdf, where the recommendation is:
For a single no-decompression dive, a minimum preflight surface interval of 12 hours is suggested.
For multiple dives per day or multiple days of diving, a minimum preflight surface interval of 18 hours is suggested.
For dives requiring decompression stops, there is little evidence on which to base a recommendation, and a preflight surface interval substantially longer than 18 hours appears prudent.

Worse, YOU did deco dives, so quoting the NDL recommendations is disingenuous, bordering on dishonesty..

 

[Patoux01]

My quote is from the webpage from DAN. The quote has nothing "bordering dishonesty". If you go to
DAN Europe - Flying after Diving
(that's the link you said rivers didn't read while citing it), you'll find exactly the sentence I quoted.

I did not put anything out of context.

So, they say what I quoted earlier:

The current position is: wait AT LEAST 12 hours after a single No Decompression Dive and 24 hors after repetitive, multiple day or decompression diving.
DAN's recent results suggest that in the second case an interval of 17 hours will probably be safe, but the study is still going on and the official recommendation has not changed yet

So, first case is the "single no deco dive", the second case is "repetitive, multiple day OR decompression diving". Then, the next sentence says "In the second case, 17h will probably be safe, but we won't make the claim yet".

Please explain where I cited something about NDL to justify deco diving.

 

[lermontov]

So I assume you add about 1 hour of deco time on top of your deco schedules? Who wouldn't want some safety?

People should figure it for themselves. Following blindly is not what I call "figuring out".

when you say 'people' your including new divers? so you just run them through the AOW course and give them all the data and tell them to figure it out of themselves?
Of course that would be absurd- the professional organisations give recommendation based on best practices at the time until further research is presented and tested.
If you feel your smart enough to make your own decisions based on you own research then good for you, my objection is the cavalier attitude of @rivers posting on the advanced scuba forum without some form of caveat

 

[tursiops]

My quote is from the webpage from DAN. The quote has nothing "bordering dishonesty". If you go to
DAN Europe - Flying after Diving
(that's the link you said rivers didn't read while citing it), you'll find exactly the sentence I quoted.

I did not put anything out of context.

So, they say what I quoted earlier:

So, first case is the "single no deco dive", the second case is "repetitive, multiple day OR decompression diving". Then, the next sentence says "In the second case, 17h will probably be safe, but we won't make the claim yet".

Please explain where I cited something about NDL to justify deco diving.

Your quotes are from an old page on the DAN Europe website, with info from 1998. They have been superceded by the 2002 workshop from which I quoted.

I find it somewhat surprising that DAN Europe and DAN US are offering different information.

 

[FinnMom]

Your answer is surprisingly simple. It's just like we teach our experienced workers about worksite safety: if you find yourself stopping and having to carefully consider whether something is safe, that always means no, it isn't.

 

[RainPilot]

Your answer is surprisingly simple. It's just like we teach our experienced workers about worksite safety: if you find yourself stopping and having to carefully consider whether something is safe, that always means no, it isn't.

We always say, when in doubt there is no doubt.