Puzzled over NAUI certification "name changes"

[tbone1004]

looks like they aren't a naui affiliated shop according to naui. Boileau and Potts are not listed as active NAUI dive professionals at least in the keys

 

[Jim Lapenta]

They might be out of business. Shops close and open all the time.

 

[SeaCobra]

what does your old card allow you to do that you cannot do now?

 

[boulderjohn]

I did a search for the names and found that the two owned a shop in the Albany, NY, area a while back. According to that 1989 article, they were planning to open a new shop under the same name (Diving Discovery) in the Keys. That name in the keys appears in a number of other searches, along with the name the OP provided of the shop. A yelp site indicates that the Diving Discovery site in Albany is closed, and I suspect the same is true in the Keys.

I found another old article about the Albany Diving Discovery site, including a picture of it, that said it was a PADI dive center.

 

[Squirrel Girl]

Curiously, I have a NAUI card from about that time

 

[US Diver]

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Thank you. Obviously this organization loves its "themes and variations."

---------- Post added August 25th, 2014 at 01:08 PM ----------

Waiting on a second response from NAUI.

---------- Post added August 25th, 2014 at 01:10 PM ----------

There was some Facebook related post dated a few weeks back that proves they are still in business (unless they closed in the past two weeks).

---------- Post added August 25th, 2014 at 01:12 PM ----------

It gets me into Atlantis without a cover charge.

 

[fire_diver]

You need to stop stressing and just go dive already. Sheesh, so much fret over a piece of plastic. I second the question above, what does the new card not allow that you could do with the old card?

Obviously you aren't happy with NAUI, so go get some more training and do it from another agency.

 

[tbone1004]

look, they can't be that "sought after" if none of us have ever heard of them, there is no record of them recently on the internet aside from one guy randomly rating it on facebook *which does not mean they are still in business by any stretch of imagination, especially since it wasn't by one of them and the listing isn't an active business page, just a review page*, and they clearly aren't with NAUI anymore since there isn't an active record in the system. Calling the number for them in the keys is disconnected, and their old shop phone number is now Seguin Dive Center in Albany with neither of them on the staff list.

Dive shops are notorious for making people take classes just for the sake of taking classes, so yes it is very possible that they misrepresented the first course to you so you would take both by saying it was the only way to get to scuba diver. NAUI did in fact eliminate a course that you took, and that was explained by the PADI correlation. NAUI no longer has a course that certifies you to dive only under direct supervision so your truck driver reference is backwards. The appropriate correlation is that you paid for an optional learners permit course, then a license course, and now there is no learners permit so you have to go straight to get your license. You could have skipped straight to the license course to begin with, and enough people were, so they stopped offering the learners permit course to save people money in the future.

You likely had no extra training that what is currently involved in the modern day Scuba Diver course, and no dive operator is going to care. NAUI does not have any course equivalent, and they're certainly not going to agree with you that they are not acknowledging extra training that you paid for, but isn't actually extra training beyond what they currently have. Get over yourself, and start diving, you explained the predicament yourself in your first post where you equated OW1 to Scuba Diver, the requirements are the same. The "Gold Master Diver" is only there because it was needed for the prior requirements for "Master Diver" but you won't actually find someone that teaches it and I don't believe they will offer the course for anyway, merely there for someone to get a replacement card and acknowledge that the current "Master Diver" course is dumbed down from what it used to be. Be grateful you didn't just have the "scuba diver" card from back then because they would likely not have acknowledged that when you submitted for your c-card replacement, and just go dive. You got ripped off 30 years ago for a couple hundred bucks, **** happens, it's not NAUI's fault as proven by the multitude of identical posts over the last 4 pages.

 

[US Diver]

look, they can't be that "sought after" if none of us have ever heard of them, there is no record of them recently on the internet aside from one guy randomly rating it on facebook *which does not mean they are still in business by any stretch of imagination, especially since it wasn't by one of them and the listing isn't an active business page, just a review page*, and they clearly aren't with NAUI anymore since there isn't an active record in the system. Calling the number for them in the keys is disconnected, and their old shop phone number is now Seguin Dive Center in Albany with neither of them on the staff list.

Dive shops are notorious for making people take classes just for the sake of taking classes, so yes it is very possible that they misrepresented the first course to you so you would take both by saying it was the only way to get to scuba diver. NAUI did in fact eliminate a course that you took, and that was explained by the PADI correlation. NAUI no longer has a course that certifies you to dive only under direct supervision so your truck driver reference is backwards. The appropriate correlation is that you paid for an optional learners permit course, then a license course, and now there is no learners permit so you have to go straight to get your license. You could have skipped straight to the license course to begin with, and enough people were, so they stopped offering the learners permit course to save people money in the future.

You likely had no extra training that what is currently involved in the modern day Scuba Diver course, and no dive operator is going to care. NAUI does not have any course equivalent, and they're certainly not going to agree with you that they are not acknowledging extra training that you paid for, but isn't actually extra training beyond what they currently have. Get over yourself, and start diving, you explained the predicament yourself in your first post where you equated OW1 to Scuba Diver, the requirements are the same. The "Gold Master Diver" is only there because it was needed for the prior requirements for "Master Diver" but you won't actually find someone that teaches it and I don't believe they will offer the course for anyway, merely there for someone to get a replacement card and acknowledge that the current "Master Diver" course is dumbed down from what it used to be. Be grateful you didn't just have the "scuba diver" card from back then because they would likely not have acknowledged that when you submitted for your c-card replacement, and just go dive. You got ripped off 30 years ago for a couple hundred bucks, **** happens, it's not NAUI's fault as proven by the multitude of identical posts over the last 4 pages.

I didn't get ripped off at all. Did you even exist back then? Rather than blame an organization for its irresponsibility in standardization practices, you blame someone for complaining when they have a certification taken from them. It's not right and I WILL protest. That organization is so pathetic that they don't even have me listed in their system (according to their website based verify diver function). I will not stop until I receive my equivalent certification, which is Advanced Scuba Diver!

 

[boulderjohn]

Let's see, Tom makes a comment on August 25, 2014, and the person to whom he commented replies with a sharp retort on June 20, 2017. This constant bickering has to stop!