Next NASA Chief Nominee Doesn’t Believe in Climate Change

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I find it interesting how many want to disregard any input from scientists working in the oil industry, but won't even consider a potential bias for environmentalists or academics who are highly invested in supporting global warming and "man made" climate change.

Unfortunately, this speaks to a lack of understanding of how science works. The livelihood of industry scientists relies on them doing their job for their company. In the case of petroleum engineers, their job is to produce oil. If these guys start telling their bosses they need to produce less oil, they won't remain employed.

On the other hand, academic scientists have no vested interest in supporting a particular topic. In fact, when we publish our work, we are required to sign conflict of interest statements to indicate any potential outside influences on the work. Our paychecks come from the University. If we receive a federal grant, we can take "summer salary" from the grant, which a maximum of the two months we don't get paid by our Universities (I usually take one month salary from my grants and work one month for free). Summer salary is also capped, so that if you receive multiple grants, you can't double dip. If an academic scientist publishes papers that support climate change, they get paid "x" amount. If they publish papers that oppose climate change, they receive the same paycheck. There is no financial interest that academic scientists receive from supporting climate change. The beauty of academic science is that scientist are free to let the data inform their understanding of the world. It is a critical evaluation of tens of thousands of studies across different disciplines, all supporting climate change, that has led most academic scientists to support anthropogenically induced climate change.
 
Hurricane Irma was the largest, most powerful storm in the history of hurricanes. The way it got to that level was unprecedented warming of the oceans. Ivan on 2004, Katrina 2005, Dean and Felix 2007. It's a good sized list. And each year becoming more frequent. Let's just get back onto the OP for a moment. Trump gets to appoint a guy to head up NASA. My post was to try to illustrate how nobody should be shocked that some Politician from Oklahoma is very likely more interested in keeping data suppressed - and keeping big Oil running along smoothly - whatever it might take to keep up the status quo.

NASA has a good sized amount of scientific data behind the ocean temps, and has shown them rising each year. Go ahead and look up each satellite mission flown by NASA. GHRSST, GRACE, Aqua, MODIS, NScat, Jason-1, Jason-3. Talk about yelling into an echo chamber. Nobody in Washington DC gives a rip. Right up until one or two things happen. Either the people who voted for them are refugees in their own state. Cities destroyed, submerged, underwater, and people starving, Or two: we collectively wake up and start voting for some sort of person who will address what's plain as day.

Right now it's The New Dumb in charge. Trump is a vapid-minded individual who moves his lips when he reads. A jabbering dupe of a President. Who cares if he can't staff a functioning State Department, hey, he gave it some good tweets.
 
@Caveeagle, I just read the excerpt you posted. There are some things in their that are probably true. The problem with the article though is that it at least implies that scientists are largely "anti-industry." From my perspective as a scientist, I've thought a lot about this. Do I think we need to stop burning all fossil fuel tomorrow? Yes. Except that would currently leave me no way to get to work! So while I recognize that many industries are polluting, I also realize that in my own life, I depend on many of these same businesses. What is the solution? To think carefully about how I uses those products (and how much) and take small steps to reduce my carbon footprint. At the same time, I advocate for better ways of doing things (e.g solar energy). Virtually all of the scientists I know (granted a relatively small number) share similar views, and thus cannot be categorized as patently "anti-industry." Your articles ends with this question:

"An easy way to determine if a person has an indefatigable ideological conflict of interest is to ask, "What evidence would make you change your mind?"

Here's my answer to that question for climate change: A series of carefully conducted, independent studies that show, 1) the amount of CO2 we've emitted over the past 100 years is drastically lower than what has been measured and shows why those previous measurements were wrong, 2) that atmospheric CO2 does not hold heat, and 3) global temperatures have not been rising for decades, and evidence to explain why previous studies showed that it was.
 
Unfortunately, this speaks to a lack of understanding of how science works. The livelihood of industry scientists relies on them doing their job for their company. In the case of petroleum engineers, their job is to produce oil. If these guys start telling their bosses they need to produce less oil, they won't remain employed.

On the other hand, academic scientists have no vested interest in supporting a particular topic. In fact, when we publish our work, we are required to sign conflict of interest statements to indicate any potential outside influences on the work. Our paychecks come from the University. If we receive a federal grant, we can take "summer salary" from the grant, which a maximum of the two months we don't get paid by our Universities (I usually take one month salary from my grants and work one month for free). Summer salary is also capped, so that if you receive multiple grants, you can't double dip. If an academic scientist publishes papers that support climate change, they get paid "x" amount. If they publish papers that oppose climate change, they receive the same paycheck. There is no financial interest that academic scientists receive from supporting climate change. The beauty of academic science is that scientist are free to let the data inform their understanding of the world. It is a critical evaluation of tens of thousands of studies across different disciplines, all supporting climate change, that has led most academic scientists to support anthropogenically induced climate change.

I don't think anyone is disputing scientific procedure, or the regulations under which they work.

But science without doubt is not science, and there is doubt among both some scientists, and the general population, who would ultimately be the victims of what occurs with climate change or what would be endured in enacted measures in the attempt to do something about it. Scientific or not, you cannot ram things down peoples' throats if they don't want it, even if you think it's good for them.

Additionally, there are are the issues of corruption, incompetance, and politics which are a reality of human existence in all realms, including science, and very much worthy of some apprehension when considering this issue.

It's a cloudy crystal ball. For the layman without blind faith, expecting his unequivocal acquiescence to long term estimates through immediate financial sacrifice is expecting too much; we are not robots yet.

We are already paying, in large solely for the analytical and political apparatus. Prices at the pumps are the same now at $40/barrel as they were recently at $100/barrel, and many politicians are already writing large checks on the backs of citizens without their direct consent.

It is this heavy-hammer approach that is alienating many, good science or not, and there is enough evidence of corruption, failed predictions, and politics to cause many to withold or abstain from marching in the streets for what looks largely like nothing more than wealth transfer.

I am old, I've been around for a while, and live on an island. I have seen no climate change at all, and taxes here are among the highest in the world already. For me and others like me, a form of persuasion other than doom or guilt is required for sacrifice. Some results wouldn't hurt either.
 
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There are several ways to measure a hurricane's "power." In terms of absolute wind speeds, Irma was not the most powerful (that award probably Allen with sustained 190 mph winds). However, Irma was documented as maintaining a sustained windspeed of 185 mph for 37 hours, the longest record for that windspeed in history. That certainly puts this hurricane at the top of the history books. This was verified by the National Hurricane Center in Miami.
 
It is too soon to say Harvey and Irma were affected by climate change. According to Weather.com:

...And so, on the heels of Hurricane Harvey's cataclysmic flooding and with Hurricane Irma striking South Florida after devastating islands in the Caribbean, a question keeps cropping up in think pieces and op-eds, in tweets and memes: Is all this because of climate change?
The answer, according to climate scientists and meteorologists weather.com spoke to in the aftermath of Harvey, is an unsatisfying one: It's just too early to know.

According to Jonathan Erdman, senior meteorologist for weather.com, “It is very difficult to ascertain whether and to what extent Harvey and Irma would have happened without climate change. This takes examination of various factors by meteorologists and climate scientists.”

In the words of Dr. Suzana Camargo, a professor of Ocean and Climate Physics at Columbia University, “We can’t know for certain until we do attribution studies on this storm,” she said referring to Harvey. Attributions studies are research models which, in this case, will simulate the storm and then run different outcomes with and without greenhouse gases to see how, if at all, it impacted the storm system. “In the next few months, various modeling groups will certainly be doing attribution studies. So, we will probably have a more informed answer soon,” said Camargo. “It is not there yet.”
 
@Murky Waters, I think @Skeptic14 has spoken to this before. Yes, science is conducted by humans and humans are fallible. Science is not perfect. It is, however, the best system humans have ever designed for the acquisition of knowledge. The beauty of science is that if bad science gets published, it is corrected rather quickly, due to the large number of independent investigators who work on the same problem.
 
@Murky Waters, I think @Skeptic14 has spoken to this before. Yes, science is conducted by humans and humans are fallible. Science is not perfect. It is, however, the best system humans have ever designed for the acquisition of knowledge. The beauty of science is that if bad science gets published, it is corrected rather quickly, due to the large number of independent investigators who work on the same problem.

I am in agreement with that. My apprehension is not so much about the science but more about the political wielding of it.

I am not here to change anyone's mind, and stats and studies in lieu of tangible evidence will not change mine. My motive is only for people who have jumped on board to understand why others have not, and hopefully make them reconsider their demonization tactics.
 
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It is too soon to say Harvey and Irma were affected by climate change. According to Weather.com:

However is seems that some can't get in fast enough to call out "see! ...we told you so". Even though since 2004, we have been well below average for Tropical Storms and and Hurricanes. But even that, some will attribute to climate change. So is it warming? Or just Change that's the problem? For an average guy, just trying to understand, there seems to be a whole lot of inconsistencies and people with hidden agendas. Even on a "climate change" site/blog I read occasionally, there is stiff debate on key points.

If you want me to take your opinion for serious consideration, you might start by not insulting anyone who is not 100% sold on all of this. I really am not convinced that strong bias does not exist in the academic / environmentalists world that might tend to inflate the results, or distort significant factors.
 
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