Universal wing to backplate fit?

[Flycaster]

i am curious.
I have been looking into a wing and backplate set-up.
I am wondering if any wing I choose would fit any backplate.?
I also am looking at a delux harness with quick release on one side and wonder if the quick release is durable enough for longevity.

 

[rhwestfall]

There is no standard between brands for wings to fit plates. FWIW OxyCheq mach-v wings have long slots.

You might be best to ask if the combination you are looking at is used by anyone here.

 

[Flycaster]

One example would be a

There is no standard between brands for wings to fit plates. FWIW OxyCheq mach-v wings have long slots.

You might be best to ask if the combination you are looking at is used by anyone here.

One example would be a DSS wing with a Hollis harness and backplate.

 

[tbone1004]

for doubles the answer is yes
for singles the answer is usually with some caveats. Some wings require STA's, some have them built in, most can use an STA if you want, some can't. Some cam band slots in the wing don't like up with the one on the backplate so an STA is required.
I.e. DSS plates can't use an STA without modification. The DRiS Trianta wing doesn't have cam band slots so it require an STA. The Dive Rite wings use a cross-hair center section which is extremely forgiving for cam band orientation, but has no anti-roll features so really require the use of an STA.

Best way is to just buy a package from one of the manufacturers or ask about a specific combination. Having tried most everything out there, I keep coming back to my Deep Sea Supply rig and highly recommend it as I think it is incredibly innovative, extremely well built, and a great value to boot.

@Flycaster why are you looking at the Hollis backplate instead of the DSS backplate? The DSS is a significantly better backplate and if you know you can't use the harness, just call Tobin and ask him if he could make you a deal for a plate and wing without the harness.

The harnesses are all basically universal so nothing to worry about there. The VDH plate is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that may not play nice with that harness. I would look at the Dive Rite Deluxe harness with QR over the Hollis harness. Much better quality in my experience. Northeast Scuba Supply also has screaming deals on the Transplate which can be stripped to mimic the Deluxe Harness

 

[rhwestfall]

My Single Wing experiences:

(these are without using a STA)

DSS plate & DSS wing - of course
DSS plate & HOG wing - yes
DSS plate & OxyCheq wing - yes
DSS plate & Deep6 wing - yes
OxyCheq "dogbone" plate & HOG wing - yes
OxyCheq "dogbone" & Argonaut Dive wing - yes
VDH "vintage" plate & OxyCheq wing - yes
VDH "vintage" plate & HOG wing - yes
VDH "vintage" plate & Argonaut Dive wing - yes

DSS plate & Argonaut Dive wing - no (likely yes with a STA)

 

[cool_hardware52]

i am curious.
I have been looking into a wing and backplate set-up.
I am wondering if any wing I choose would fit any backplate.?
I also am looking at a delux harness with quick release on one side and wonder if the quick release is durable enough for longevity.

As others have noted for doubles there is near universal interchangeability. By that I mean nearly anyone can get XX wing to bolt up to YY plate. There may be subtle differences in where the wing ends up relative to the plate due to relative location of grommet ed holes in the wing vs holes in the plate, but they can be assembled.

Here's the rub for singles. Most singles wings and most plates can be made to work but some combo may require a bit of fiddling, or the slots in the plate and wing don't line up *PERFECTLY*

As a manufacturer I have zero means of determining what any given customer expects, especially those new to back plate and wings. (Those with some experience with BP&W's are unlikely to even ask)

If I tell a newbie that our plates work fine with XX wings and the slot spacing is off by 1/2 inch will they roll with that or will it trigger a 45 email long thread, 14 phone calls and 9 Hysterical Scuba Board threads?

No way for me to know.

What I do know for certain is DSS wings work best with DSS plates, and that using them together allows for certain features designed into the system to be realized.

This is why DSS offers huge discounts when purchasing a package system. We are trying to incentivize divers to use goods designed to work together.

The classic phone call I get is
"Will your wing "fit" a XX Plate?"

Um, maybe, but they fit a DSS plate better.

"Well I got a great deal on this XX plate at a garage sale"

Do you know it's actually a XX plate?

"Well the guy that sold it to me said it was"

Er, ok, so you don't really know?

"It's a XX plate!!!!"

Ah, ok, well if you want to assume the risk of a DSS wing fittting here's what you need and it will cost this much

"Why so much?!!!!"

That's the a la carte pricing, if you purchased a complete rig you would have spent the about the same or less, and had goods designed to work together, and I wouldn't need to look forward to an hour's worth of phone calls regarding the setup of a franken rig.

"What a rip off!!"

Good luck, hope you find a solution.....

Tobin

 

[Flycaster]

As others have noted for doubles there is near universal interchangeability. By that I mean nearly anyone can get XX wing to bolt up to YY plate. There may be subtle differences in where the wing ends up relative to the plate due to relative location of grommet ed holes in the wing vs holes in the plate, but they can be assembled.

Here's the rub for singles. Most singles wings and most plates can be made to work but some combo may require a bit of fiddling, or the slots in the plate and wing don't line up *PERFECTLY*

As a manufacturer I have zero means of determining what any given customer expects, especially those new to back plate and wings. (Those with some experience with BP&W's are unlikely to even ask)

If I tell a newbie that our plates work fine with XX wings and the slot spacing is off by 1/2 inch will they roll with that or will it trigger a 45 email long thread, 14 phone calls and 9 Hysterical Scuba Board threads?

No way for me to know.

What I do know for certain is DSS wings work best with DSS plates, and that using them together allows for certain features designed into the system to be realized.

This is why DSS offers huge discounts when purchasing a package system. We are trying to incentivize divers to use goods designed to work .


Good luck, hope you find a solution.....

Tobin

Tobin,
I had almost had my mind made up on a DSS package and probably will go with it.

I am 6ft.1in. With 34 inseam.
I will be going with a singles set up.
Am I correct in understanding I do not need a single tank adapter ?
Also should I go with the standard large or long.
I am thinking the standard stainless steel large .
Thanks,
Glen

PM if you want.

 

[cool_hardware52]

Tobin,
I had almost had my mind made up on a DSS package and probably will go with it.

I am 6ft.1in. With 34 inseam.
I will be going with a singles set up.
Am I correct in understanding I do not need a single tank adapter ?
Also should I go with the standard large or long.
I am thinking the standard stainless steel large .
Thanks,
Glen

PM if you want.

Glen,

I'd recommend a DSS large.

With a DSS wing you don't need or want a Single Tank Adapter.

I can't comment on Stainless vs Kydex or wing capacity without knowing more about your application.

Most buoyant exposure suit
Least buoyant exposure suit
Cylinders used.

If you wish my advice regarding these matters please be as specific as possible. Telling me you plan to dive with Drysuit and high loft undies or swim trunk using every tank ever made doesn't help much.

Tobin

 

[Flycaster]

Glen,

I'd recommend a DSS large.

With a DSS wing you don't need or want a Single Tank Adapter.

I can't comment on Stainless vs Kydex or wing capacity without knowing more about your application.

Most buoyant exposure suit
Least buoyant exposure suit
Cylinders used.

If you wish my advice regarding these matters please be as specific as possible. Telling me you plan to dive with Drysuit and high loft undies or swim trunk using every tank ever made doesn't help much.

Tobin

7mm suit.
Single steel 100 or Steel 80

 

[rhwestfall]

@Flycaster & @cool_hardware52 : If you tend to need a bunch of lead, discuss the weight plates with Tobin too. Also, you were talking about a harness with a QD. Talk to him about the GHA (Glide Harness Adapter) instead. Great little option to have on his plate to assist in getting in/out of the harness.