Is it possible to travel responsibly (during a pandemic)?

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One suggestion for any chance of having a sincere conversation on any medical issue and particularly covid is to NOT link to ABC,AP, BBC,Breitbart,CNN,Fox, Huffpost or any other propaganda sites but to cite actual medical texts or studies. It risks muddying the water with political overtones and bias, which are inescapable anymore.
Here's my go to covid - Search Results - PubMed

Most people don't have the time to ingest research papers, nor be able to understand their contents. A link to them doesn't mean they were read and used to formulate opinions expressed.

Lumping ABC, AP, BBC, CNN with Breitbart, Fox and HuffPost as all propaganda doesn't bode well for a call for sincerty. They have different levels of truth and bias, and some are just opinions and entertainment, that they themselves argued that they are.
 
Not to mention access to original research articles (or quotes for that matter) is not always readily available to the general public.
 
So... you think it’s “normal” to keep your country walled off from the outside world? Sorry, but they are far from “back to normal”.

Their populace are living as they were before the pandemic, except for international travel, yes. They're far closer to normal than the rest of the world.
 
SARS, MERS, Ebola were contained before they became huge problems.

Saw an article indicating SARS and MERS don't tend to have such an asymptomatic transmission period as SARS-CoV-2 does. I don't know about Ebola.

NZ showed that two months of hard lockdown let them go back to normal six months later. Taiwan showed that restricted travel allowed them to just use mask as a preventive measures.

Recently I saw an article discussing the idea the dynamics of containment in a very large country (e.g.: America) and a small one (e.g.: some European nations are roughly the size of one of our states) may be different for a number of reasons - ease of isolating cases, more limited travel distances within the nation, trust level of the populace toward the government, etc...). Some nations have more authoritarian power over the citizenry (e.g.: China); when getting a pandemic under control, that looks great. But that kind of power is not confined to pandemics.

I agree stronger 'lock down' measures slowed the progress of the virus, our goal was to 'flatten the curve' so health care resources (e.g.: ICU's, ventilators) didn't get overwhelmed. It was not out of the belief we could exclude, contain and eliminate the virus from the American populace.

My point is, I think there's more to the story than lock downs alone, but I agree drastic action earlier paid dividends for some.
 
Most people don't have the time to ingest research papers, nor be able to understand their contents. A link to them doesn't mean they were read and used to formulate opinions expressed.

Lumping ABC, AP, BBC, CNN with Breitbart, Fox and HuffPost as all propaganda doesn't bode well for a call for sincerty. They have different levels of truth and bias, and some are just opinions and entertainment, that they themselves argued that they are.
Media Bias/Fact Check - Search and Learn the Bias of News Media
 
Saw an article indicating SARS and MERS don't tend to have such an asymptomatic transmission period as SARS-CoV-2 does. I don't know about Ebola.
This^^^ Transmission for Ebola is through direct contact with blood and body fluid (or contaminated objects) and only once someone has developed symptoms.
 
So... you think it’s “normal” to keep your country walled off from the outside world? Sorry, but they are far from “back to normal”.
Nothing is normal under present climate.
New Zealand, Republic of China(Taiwan) and Vietnam has shown to the world that the welfare of their OWN people is their NO.1 priority.
Over 500,000 American will not be celebrating Easter in 3 wks time. That is normal!
 
Saw an article indicating SARS and MERS don't tend to have such an asymptomatic transmission period as SARS-CoV-2 does. I don't know about Ebola.



Recently I saw an article discussing the idea the dynamics of containment in a very large country (e.g.: America) and a small one (e.g.: some European nations are roughly the size of one of our states) may be different for a number of reasons - ease of isolating cases, more limited travel distances within the nation, trust level of the populace toward the government, etc...). Some nations have more authoritarian power over the citizenry (e.g.: China); when getting a pandemic under control, that looks great. But that kind of power is not confined to pandemics.

I agree stronger 'lock down' measures slowed the progress of the virus, our goal was to 'flatten the curve' so health care resources (e.g.: ICU's, ventilators) didn't get overwhelmed. It was not out of the belief we could exclude, contain and eliminate the virus from the American populace.

My point is, I think there's more to the story than lock downs alone, but I agree drastic action earlier paid dividends for some.

We didn't have a government that tried to contain. We had one that was actively trying to deny and tell people to do the opposite of what was necessary, even overriding local jurisdictions.
 
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