A question about the devils eye/ear entrances
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wtcreaux, thanks for your input, but do you really think there is NOBODY intelligent enough to figure out how to safely do something on their own?
TSandM, thanks for pointing out the ease of getting into the catacombs.
PfcAJ, thanks for about the only post that answered the question and still managed to intelligently get your other opinions across.
JamesK, according to my map, the devils ear and eye are in navigable waters, owned by the state and under the equal footing doctrine the owners of ginnie springs cannot police what goes on there.
Ianr33, don't be so sure. Also, don't think that there are not people out there who can figure out how to do things safely on their own. I've seen video of Jacques cousteau cave diving. Who certified him?
Ayisha, thanks for actually reading my post.
Bamafan, don't assume I'm trolling.
Now a couple of points...
One. I hate to see people who take an activity freely available to anyone in a free country and try to plant their flag on it and charge people out the yazoo to do it.. for example... a couple of weeks ago I wanted to dive king spring. I get online and see a number of people charging 50 bucks a head to take them out on cattle boats. I got the gps coordinates, hopped in my canoe and paddled right out and dove.
Should I pay you or your friends 300 dollars for a basic cave class, oh wait, you need the 300 dollar intro to cave prerequesite ... oh, wait, no you need the 300 dollar cavern class first.. oh wait.... blah blah blah
Why are you not screaming about all the open water divers who go into the ballroom? I highly doubt even a small percentage of the people in there have had a cavern class.
Anyway, Thanks for the one person who actually gave me some input about topography, which is what I asked about.
TSandM, thanks for pointing out the ease of getting into the catacombs.
PfcAJ, thanks for about the only post that answered the question and still managed to intelligently get your other opinions across.
JamesK, according to my map, the devils ear and eye are in navigable waters, owned by the state and under the equal footing doctrine the owners of ginnie springs cannot police what goes on there.
Ianr33, don't be so sure. Also, don't think that there are not people out there who can figure out how to do things safely on their own. I've seen video of Jacques cousteau cave diving. Who certified him?
Ayisha, thanks for actually reading my post.
Bamafan, don't assume I'm trolling.
Now a couple of points...
One. I hate to see people who take an activity freely available to anyone in a free country and try to plant their flag on it and charge people out the yazoo to do it.. for example... a couple of weeks ago I wanted to dive king spring. I get online and see a number of people charging 50 bucks a head to take them out on cattle boats. I got the gps coordinates, hopped in my canoe and paddled right out and dove.
Should I pay you or your friends 300 dollars for a basic cave class, oh wait, you need the 300 dollar intro to cave prerequesite ... oh, wait, no you need the 300 dollar cavern class first.. oh wait.... blah blah blah
Why are you not screaming about all the open water divers who go into the ballroom? I highly doubt even a small percentage of the people in there have had a cavern class.
Anyway, Thanks for the one person who actually gave me some input about topography, which is what I asked about.
JamesK
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You're welcome.
---------- Post added November 18th, 2012 at 01:42 PM ----------
Oh and the ballroom is completely different from what you are trying to do. I believe I mentioned the false exits, and the line traps. You are leaving a cavern zone and heading in to true cave zone.
---------- Post added November 18th, 2012 at 01:42 PM ----------
Oh and the ballroom is completely different from what you are trying to do. I believe I mentioned the false exits, and the line traps. You are leaving a cavern zone and heading in to true cave zone.
Why make the same mistakes that have already been made by others & cost them their lives?
There is MUCH more to it than you know. That is why the training is so extensive. When I made my near fatal dive,... I found out very quickly, I didn't know what I didn't know & it nearly cost me dearly. A cave is unforgiving. Did I mention that there is much more to it than you know? Not just a reel, full cylinder & 2 lights,.... There's much, much, much, much, much, much..... more to it than that.:shocked2:
They were Pioneers, you are not.
It has already been done. Big difference. They (Cousteau, Exley, & many more....) are the ones (many of them) who died "learning it on their own" & who gave rise to the rules of safe cave diving we have & follow today. #1 Being training. #2 continuous guideline. #3 Gas management & redundancy. #4 Depth #5 Lights (redundancy). Break any of these rules & you vastly stack the deck against your survival. To risk the lives of those who must retrieve you when you don't return, is enormously selfish. Very rarely does someone get a second chance when they screw up in such an environment.Who "has palnted any flags"? The reason for the concern is that too many deaths by those who "want to learn it on their own" will lead to the state (by laws)/ land owners (by denying access) start closing off the sites to those of us that dive them safely. You're right,... nothing can stop you from killing yourself, if that's what you really want.
If you want to do it safely,... it IS worth every penny. What is your life worth to you?
You obviously haven't read many of the threads about this topic on this board. It has been discussed Ad Nauseum, just like your thread.
I would highly recommend watching this film: A deceptively easy way to die - YouTube .
But then again,... you probably already know it all.
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ianr33
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Getting in is the easy part, its getting out that can be tricky.
Paladin
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I tried diving a submerged cave once. I almost died. Don't be stupid. STAY OUT!
If you want to play around in an overhead environment, dive the Ballroom at Ginnie. Unless you have a serious death wish, stay out of the Devil's Ear/Eye.
If you want to play around in an overhead environment, dive the Ballroom at Ginnie. Unless you have a serious death wish, stay out of the Devil's Ear/Eye.
JamesK
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I do not wish for anyone to kill themselves or die. I simply wish you would heed our warnings. The only reason I get so emotional because I do not want anyone to hurt themselves. It's not about being a big bad cave diver, it's about trying to save someone from doing something that in reality is very stupid. All that wishing death on someone does is make them want to do it more.
Please understand I'm not trying to be an ass. I am simply trying to let you know you're making a bad decision.
---------- Post added November 18th, 2012 at 04:34 PM ----------
Swampy, I will be in the area tonight and if you would like to come up, have a drink and discuss why I feel that way and what could go wrong.
Please understand I'm not trying to be an ass. I am simply trying to let you know you're making a bad decision.
---------- Post added November 18th, 2012 at 04:34 PM ----------
Swampy, I will be in the area tonight and if you would like to come up, have a drink and discuss why I feel that way and what could go wrong.
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