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Advanced penetration of the Spiegel Grove Wreck

Discussion in 'Wreck Diving' started by norwhal, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    He may know how, but he clearly stated he doesn't want to waste his time doing it. His gas planning is based on experience: he did the dive once before, so it is OK to do it again. That is not gas planning, of course; that is just trusting in dumb luck.
     
  2. JBFG

    JBFG Contributor

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    I can wait to read about this again in the accident and near miss section. Hopefully I won’t have to but.....
     
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  3. jadairiii

    jadairiii Solo Diver

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    Proper gas management on this dive you should have about 1200 psi in your backgas when you are on the boat, plus that 30. Do the math, figure out how much gas you need to get you and your buddy off the bottom in 90' of water (and out of the wreck), including any deco (or minimum deco), using proper ascent rates and estimates for the elevated SAC rates of both divers.
     
  4. Addison Snyder

    Addison Snyder Contributor

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    Yeah, was mostly joking about being a footnote in his legacy. And as constructive as I want to be, what a friggin' arrogant fool.
     
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  5. lermontov

    lermontov Contributor

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    actually im a little taken aback hes been banned ? what purpose has it served ?
     
  6. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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  7. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    One thing that comes to mind is his insistence on advocating quite unsafe practices, no matter what input he got. If a newbie jumped in and just read his posts and did not get the entire context and overwhelming sentiment of the thread, it could cause serious problems for that newbie. One reason to immediately jump on and react negatively to "bad practices" is trying to mitigate the spread of nonsense.
     
  8. Scott

    Scott Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Sadly, it may be about one of his buddies.
    Hopefully none of them.
     
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  9. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I am no longer on staff, so I don't know why he was banned. It could have been for a post he made that as seen and deleted immediately by a mod, before anyone else saw it. It could be that a moderator was trying to keep him in line through private messages, and that did not go well. The mods will almost never tell you why someone was banned, and that can sadly lead to unfortunate consequences, because there is nothing governing what the banned person says to others about it, which is frequently either a lie or a misunderstanding. What happens then is the people who were misinformed spread that misinformation on ScubaBoard. There was one case in particular in which a popular guy got banned for a long history of violations and suspensions, including attacks on me. He told his friends he was banned because I didn't like him and insisted on it, but that was absolutely not true. The story stuck with those friends, though, and over the years they kept bringing up the story about how that poor, guiltless, pure-as-the-driven-snow exemplar of posting perfection was banned because of an evil whim of boulderjohn.

    So, if the mods want to tell you why he was banned, they will, but they probably won't. If you hear a reason from anyone else, including especially the guy who got banned, there is a good chance it is not true, and repeating it can be harmful.
     
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  10. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Thread ban is the usual punishment. Total forum ban must mean that he got a bit too bolshi with someone who could do something about it.
     

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