Designing a fail-proof technical snorkel keeper...

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inletsurf

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If you think that strength is the main factor to consider in snorkel keepers, you are dangerously mistaken.

The single most important feature in a snorkel keeper is its drag resistance. I will address the kevlar keeper below, but in order to properly discuss the drag issue, it is important to isolate the variables involved.

Drag equals Dynamic Pressure * Surface Area * Coefficient of Drag or:

D=1/2 pV^2 * S * CvD

where

p = density of water (I used freshwater in my calculations to be conservative)
V = Velocity (the "safe" ascent rate of 30'/min)
S = Surface Area (the two keepers I've compared are nominally different)
CvD = Coefficient of Drag (in this instance, it's related to the model and material - both test keepers were silicone which has a significantly lower coefficient of drag than kevlar)

Using the two snorkel keepers shown below (again, both are silicone), one can see that their main difference is shape.


Test Subject 1
http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/l19692.jpg


Test Subject 2

http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/l19689.jpg

Although one might think that the larger size of Test Subject 2 would be a detriment, considering the increased surface area, When the model is folded in half (as it would be worn) and run through a water tunnel simulator, you can clearly see that the trailing protrusion actually reduces drag when compared to Test Subject 1 (see figures 3 and 4).

http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/l19690.jpg

figure 3

http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/l19690.jpg

figure 4

So looking at the facts shown above, one can clearly see that if you choose you use a snorkel keeper like Test Subject 2, you could probably get by with a 13CF pony. However, if you suffer from the increased drag of a keeper like Test Subject 1, you had better go with at least a 19CF pony. And Kevlar Keepers? If you foolishly decide to use one of them for their "strength," you had better just go ahead and strap on another 80

Final Design:
Designed using Pro/Engineer 2001 solid modeling tool, this snorkel keeper is assumed to be made out of medical grade silicone rubber impregnated with Teflon and dipped in a light silicone-based oil (can't tell you details, looking for a patent), see link below. We ultimately selected Test subject Design 1, because those extra tabs cost us 1/10 of a penny on a lot of 100, which means a $22.50 hit in a 1 year production run.

http://www.momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/l19696.jpg
 
That's interesting Inlet..... I've been contemplating these issues with my snorkel keeper for a few years now. I have never considered the importance of the drag factor.
I'd like to hear more input on the Kevlar idea. That would truely be an innovative product on the Scuba scene. More info please.

Any other input from other members on this??
 
I'll take 100.

:)
 
LOL :thumb:


I've eliminated the keeper all together by super glueing the snorkel to the side of my head.
 
I believe there's a flaw in your water tunnel simulation.

The snorkel keeper is travelling in the wrong direction. Assuming water flow in the direction indicated in your diagram, the snorkel keeper should be rotated 90 degrees clockwise.

Perhaps you need to take your product line back to the drawing board?
 
Now I need to find that snorkel, since you have found the solution to my problem.

:D
 
My snorkel keeper produces ZERO drag in the water. It's called my gear bag, and it holds my snorkel firmly in place during every dive... :)
 
Inletsurf, you have way too much time on your hands.

Nice ProE model by the way.
However silcone snorkel keepers are existing and available (without your logo) for about $1.40 US ($2 Can).

By the way the additional drag (without the analysis) doesn't take a PHD in hydro dynamics. Compared to the snorkel it's The (Square root of 2)/8 x 2/3rds of 4/5ths of FA.

Mike D
:blfish:
 
Cave Diver once bubbled...
My snorkel keeper produces ZERO drag in the water. It's called my gear bag, and it holds my snorkel firmly in place during every dive... :)

I have something similar...it is commonly referred to as the trunk of my car....
 
I just staple the thing to my temple. Those little keepers rip my hair out.
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/peregrine/

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