DIY 3D Printed CCR parts - Replacement purge cover for Hollis BOV 2nd stage

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davehicks

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I have had my KISS Spirit LTE CCR for over 8 years now, having bought two of them in 2015 for my wife and myself. This unit comes with a Hollis BOV with an integrated 2nd stage. It is a very simple unbalanced regulator. This BOV model has been used in a few CCR units from both KISS and Hollis over the years. I've not heard of one having a part disintegrate before, but it's happened to one of my units now.

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Now back in September I broke my leg at the end of a 3-week safari trip, and another four months have passed healing up and not diving. I did my first dives in 147 days this last weekend! With the new year, and dive gear hardly touched in months, I did a full overhaul of the CCRs, checked the IP of all the regs, cleaned and lubricated all the o-rings I rarely remove, and rebuilt the BOVs. While doing this I noticed that the 2nd stage purge cover of the Hollis BOV 2nd was crumbling! Bits of plastic fell off when I removed it and it split in multiple spots. I put the unit back together anyway, and when I did a Pos/Neg test of the CCR it was leaking through the 2nd stage diaphragm. If I had tried to dive and breath off it, it probably would have breathed wet. I swapped in the BOV from the other KISS and broke my dry spell over the weekend. I then needed to fix the failed BOV.

The Purge Cover is a malleable flexible plastic like material, not silicone, but not fully rigid either. You can see below that it has a stem inside that pushes against the diaphragm when depressed and purges the regulator. Since it is flexible, it acts like a spring and bounces back. It also has a rim around the base, and this presses down on the perimeter of the silicone diaphragm to seal it against the regulator body. An outer ring screws down to seal the assembly of parts. But part of the rim has flaked off, so the seal is not complete. As a result, the Pos/Neg check is poor and it would probably breath wet.

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I started looking around for a source of replacements for this part of the Hollis 2nd stage purge cover. I don't know what model regulator this comes from, or if it was original to the Hollis BOV. KISS did not list it in their parts / spare catalog, and I could not find the parts on Ebay. I decided that I would attempt to 3d print a replacement before I contacted KISS or spent big buck on a new BOV.

I considered making a replacement purge spring cover with 100% soft TPU, but it can be a challenging material to print with sometimes, especially in a complex shape. The supports and overhangs can be messy. Instead, I decided on a 2-piece solution. I would make the body, rim, and raised portion with PETG, and then a soft springy center plunger/button with TPU. It took a few iterations, but I came up with something that seems to work pretty well.


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Once installed in the BOV, the 2nd stage seems to work well, purging smoothly. The Pos/Neg test of the CCR is holding firmly now without the leakage of the loose diaphragm. All that is left is to dive it, which I will probably attempt tomorrow. I don't have much concern that it will work or not, but the longevity or reliability of the parts might be a concern. I've made a few other parts for my camera gear out of this identical PETG and TPU material that has stood up well to 100+ dives. I went ahead and made a second set of the parts to put in my spare kit in case there is any trouble. I'll keep a good inspection going as I move forward.

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My final question to all of you; Am I nuts to dive this?
 
My final question to all of you; Am I nuts to dive this?
I dive with a fair variety of similar parts on vintage open circuit gear... I've done TPU purge covers on SP 109's, printed ABS faceplates, even printed molds for poured silicone main diaphragms with printed ABS friction plates. You're not nuts, just making good application of ingenuity! I would recommend a gradual build up in the dive testing, but I expect that was already the plan.

Respectfully,

James
 
I dive with a fair variety of similar parts on vintage open circuit gear... I've done TPU purge covers on SP 109's, printed ABS faceplates, even printed molds for poured silicone main diaphragms with printed ABS friction plates. You're not nuts, just making good application of ingenuity! I would recommend a gradual build up in the dive testing, but I expect that was already the plan.

Respectfully,

James
Thanks James! It good to be in the company of true genius. 😃 I will report back on how I've worked. I had hoped to for tonight but the wound and freezing weather just dumped on Seattle today. Maybe Monday.
 
Thanks James! It good to be in the company of true genius. 😃 I will report back on how I've worked. I had hoped to for tonight but the wound and freezing weather just dumped on Seattle today. Maybe Monday.
Not a genius by any stretch... Just a nerd with odd hobbies, lol.
Another idea that would eliminate the flexible portion deteriorating with time entirely would be to make a new rigid purge over with a button and spring, like a Conshelf or G250.
 
Not a genius by any stretch... Just a nerd with odd hobbies, lol.
Another idea that would eliminate the flexible portion deteriorating with time entirely would be to make a new rigid purge over with a button and spring, like a Conshelf or G250.
I considered that, but it would have been more complicated. Instead I eliminated most of the flexible material with the PETG body and made a rubbery TPU part that is both button and spring. I made a spare in case of wear. If it does not hold up well, i may look at a spring based solution.
 
I have had my KISS Spirit LTE CCR for over 8 years now, having bought two of them in 2015 for my wife and myself. This unit comes with a Hollis BOV with an integrated 2nd stage. It is a very simple unbalanced regulator. This BOV model has been used in a few CCR units from both KISS and Hollis over the years. I've not heard of one having a part disintegrate before, but it's happened to one of my units now.

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Now back in September I broke my leg at the end of a 3-week safari trip, and another four months have passed healing up and not diving. I did my first dives in 147 days this last weekend! With the new year, and dive gear hardly touched in months, I did a full overhaul of the CCRs, checked the IP of all the regs, cleaned and lubricated all the o-rings I rarely remove, and rebuilt the BOVs. While doing this I noticed that the 2nd stage purge cover of the Hollis BOV 2nd was crumbling! Bits of plastic fell off when I removed it and it split in multiple spots. I put the unit back together anyway, and when I did a Pos/Neg test of the CCR it was leaking through the 2nd stage diaphragm. If I had tried to dive and breath off it, it probably would have breathed wet. I swapped in the BOV from the other KISS and broke my dry spell over the weekend. I then needed to fix the failed BOV.

The Purge Cover is a malleable flexible plastic like material, not silicone, but not fully rigid either. You can see below that it has a stem inside that pushes against the diaphragm when depressed and purges the regulator. Since it is flexible, it acts like a spring and bounces back. It also has a rim around the base, and this presses down on the perimeter of the silicone diaphragm to seal it against the regulator body. An outer ring screws down to seal the assembly of parts. But part of the rim has flaked off, so the seal is not complete. As a result, the Pos/Neg check is poor and it would probably breath wet.

View attachment 820201

I started looking around for a source of replacements for this part of the Hollis 2nd stage purge cover. I don't know what model regulator this comes from, or if it was original to the Hollis BOV. KISS did not list it in their parts / spare catalog, and I could not find the parts on Ebay. I decided that I would attempt to 3d print a replacement before I contacted KISS or spent big buck on a new BOV.

I considered making a replacement purge spring cover with 100% soft TPU, but it can be a challenging material to print with sometimes, especially in a complex shape. The supports and overhangs can be messy. Instead, I decided on a 2-piece solution. I would make the body, rim, and raised portion with PETG, and then a soft springy center plunger/button with TPU. It took a few iterations, but I came up with something that seems to work pretty well.


View attachment 820204

Once installed in the BOV, the 2nd stage seems to work well, purging smoothly. The Pos/Neg test of the CCR is holding firmly now without the leakage of the loose diaphragm. All that is left is to dive it, which I will probably attempt tomorrow. I don't have much concern that it will work or not, but the longevity or reliability of the parts might be a concern. I've made a few other parts for my camera gear out of this identical PETG and TPU material that has stood up well to 100+ dives. I went ahead and made a second set of the parts to put in my spare kit in case there is any trouble. I'll keep a good inspection going as I move forward.

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My final question to all of you; Am I nuts to dive this?

A write up like this,
with parts to show for it.....
You are not nuts.
You are capable.
If you can make the parts, you know enough when the parts don't fit/are wrong.

It's not rocket science.
👍good job
 
I have had my KISS Spirit LTE CCR for over 8 years now, having bought two of them in 2015 for my wife and myself. This unit comes with a Hollis BOV with an integrated 2nd stage. It is a very simple unbalanced regulator. This BOV model has been used in a few CCR units from both KISS and Hollis over the years. I've not heard of one having a part disintegrate before, but it's happened to one of my units now.

View attachment 820200


Now back in September I broke my leg at the end of a 3-week safari trip, and another four months have passed healing up and not diving. I did my first dives in 147 days this last weekend! With the new year, and dive gear hardly touched in months, I did a full overhaul of the CCRs, checked the IP of all the regs, cleaned and lubricated all the o-rings I rarely remove, and rebuilt the BOVs. While doing this I noticed that the 2nd stage purge cover of the Hollis BOV 2nd was crumbling! Bits of plastic fell off when I removed it and it split in multiple spots. I put the unit back together anyway, and when I did a Pos/Neg test of the CCR it was leaking through the 2nd stage diaphragm. If I had tried to dive and breath off it, it probably would have breathed wet. I swapped in the BOV from the other KISS and broke my dry spell over the weekend. I then needed to fix the failed BOV.

The Purge Cover is a malleable flexible plastic like material, not silicone, but not fully rigid either. You can see below that it has a stem inside that pushes against the diaphragm when depressed and purges the regulator. Since it is flexible, it acts like a spring and bounces back. It also has a rim around the base, and this presses down on the perimeter of the silicone diaphragm to seal it against the regulator body. An outer ring screws down to seal the assembly of parts. But part of the rim has flaked off, so the seal is not complete. As a result, the Pos/Neg check is poor and it would probably breath wet.

View attachment 820201

I started looking around for a source of replacements for this part of the Hollis 2nd stage purge cover. I don't know what model regulator this comes from, or if it was original to the Hollis BOV. KISS did not list it in their parts / spare catalog, and I could not find the parts on Ebay. I decided that I would attempt to 3d print a replacement before I contacted KISS or spent big buck on a new BOV.

I considered making a replacement purge spring cover with 100% soft TPU, but it can be a challenging material to print with sometimes, especially in a complex shape. The supports and overhangs can be messy. Instead, I decided on a 2-piece solution. I would make the body, rim, and raised portion with PETG, and then a soft springy center plunger/button with TPU. It took a few iterations, but I came up with something that seems to work pretty well.


View attachment 820204

Once installed in the BOV, the 2nd stage seems to work well, purging smoothly. The Pos/Neg test of the CCR is holding firmly now without the leakage of the loose diaphragm. All that is left is to dive it, which I will probably attempt tomorrow. I don't have much concern that it will work or not, but the longevity or reliability of the parts might be a concern. I've made a few other parts for my camera gear out of this identical PETG and TPU material that has stood up well to 100+ dives. I went ahead and made a second set of the parts to put in my spare kit in case there is any trouble. I'll keep a good inspection going as I move forward.

View attachment 820208

My final question to all of you; Am I nuts to dive this?
Are the STLs available anywhere?
 
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Are the STLs available anywhere?
Not yet. This is a rather niche object, do you think it might be useful to others?

In any case i never post my designs until after i use them for a bit. I will likely share it after a few dives for testing.
 
Not yet. This is a rather niche object, do you think it might be useful to others?

In any case i never post my designs until after i use them for a bit. I will likely share it after a few dives for testing.
We have a sub-forum for 3D printing and we're always sharing those files here as well as on thingiverse.
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/peregrine/

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